RL Circuit Transient Analysis: Simple Circuit Homework with Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the transient analysis of an RL circuit as part of a homework problem. Participants explore the application of equations related to inductor behavior in both steady state and transient conditions, as well as the use of Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) in analyzing the circuit after a switch is opened.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the initial voltage across the circuit when the switch is closed and proposes a voltage divider rule for when the switch opens.
  • Another participant suggests not memorizing equations, indicating that understanding the underlying principles is more beneficial.
  • A participant questions the KVL equation proposed by another, leading to a discussion on the current in the circuit.
  • There is a suggestion that first-order transient equations can be applied to the circuit, with a focus on the inductor's behavior as the switch opens.
  • One participant provides a specific equation for inductor current over time and emphasizes the importance of understanding the form of the equation rather than memorizing multiple variations.
  • Another participant mentions successfully solving the problem by converting the circuit to Thevenin form and applying the relevant equations.
  • There is a discussion about the voltage across the inductor in steady state, with a participant asserting that it is zero due to the inductor acting as a short circuit.
  • One participant reflects on their teacher's approach to avoid solving first-order differential equations, expressing uncertainty about their understanding of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solving the problem, with some advocating for memorization of equations while others emphasize understanding concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for approaching the analysis of the RL circuit.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their understanding of differential equations and the application of Thevenin's theorem, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their analysis.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



iL = (iL(0) + Vs/R)e(-t/τ + Vs/R

The Attempt at a Solution



When the switch is closed before t=0, v(t) = 100V as the first 100Ohm resistor is shorted and L acts as a short wire in DC steady state.

When the switch opens, v(t) = 50V by voltage divider rule, since current flows through both 100Ohm resistors.

However, I have trouble putting the above in a v(t) expression, as v(t) is the voltage across R. I learned how to write first-order transient equations for L and C but can they be applied here?

τ = L/R (τ is tau, the time constant)

iL = (iL(0) + Vs/R)e-t/τ + Vs/R
 
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I would recommend not memorizing such equations. It really makes things complicated when presented with problems that don't fit them. There are several ways you could solve the problem. Do you know the equation for KVL for after the switch is opened?
 
GreenPrint said:
I would recommend not memorizing such equations. It really makes things complicated when presented with problems that don't fit them.

Oh dear. >< I see.

There are several ways you could solve the problem. Do you know the equation for KVL for after the switch is opened?

Assuming i is the current in the circuit, is the KVL equation 100 = i(100) + i(100) ? By V=IR, i = 0.5A.
 
What about the voltage across the inductor?
 
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galaxy_twirl said:
I learned how to write first-order transient equations for L and C but can they be applied here?
Sure they can. You're already halfway to the answer because this is what you have worked out: the inductor current starts from a steady level of 1A and [once the switch is opened] it moves toward a final value of 0.5A on a 1st order exponential with a time-constant set by 200Ω and 1H.

In any general first order system, the exponential is always described by either e-t/τ or (1 - e-t/τ) and you choose which to fit the situation you are needing to describe.

I use only one general equation, preferring to perform additional algebra rather than memorize more than one.

contd on next post ...
 
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IL = Iinitial + (Ifinal - Iinitial) (1 - e-t/τ)

Now, just fill in the numbers. When you have it finished, and tidied up, then simply multiply by 100 to convert from resistor current to resistor voltage.

That last equation I wrote is a handy form to memorize, as it reads aloud precisely how you'd express it in words, making it easy to write 'on the fly' without error, once you get the hang of it.
 
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My advive would be to follow GreenPrint's advice.
You don't learn much by memorizing equations. If you don't analyze the simpler circuits you will be in big trouble with the more complex ones.
 
NascentOxygen said:
IL = Iinitial + (Ifinal - Iinitial) (1 - e-t/τ)

Now, just fill in the numbers. When you have it finished, and tidied up, then simply multiply by 100 to convert from resistor current to resistor voltage.

That last equation I wrote is a handy form to memorize, as it reads aloud precisely how you'd express it in words, making it easy to write 'on the fly' without error, once you get the hang of it.

Sorry for the late reply. >< I was busy revising for my exams tomorrow. :(

I see. Thank you for the equation. :) I managed to solve the question by converting it to Thevenin and applying my formula, which can only be used if I have my circuits in Thevenin form.
 
GreenPrint said:
What about the voltage across the inductor?

Is the voltage 0? This is because at DC steady state, inductor acts as short wire and hence, ##VL = 0##.
 
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rude man said:
My advive would be to follow GreenPrint's advice.
You don't learn much by memorizing equations. If you don't analyze the simpler circuits you will be in big trouble with the more complex ones.

I think the formula my teacher gave was to prevent us by solving first order differential equations which I still don't know how to do at the moment, though I did learn a little at A levels.
 

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