Robert Adams textbook: Acceleration example

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of acceleration from velocity in the context of a textbook example. Participants express their challenges in following the steps presented in the textbook and share their experiences with different educational resources.

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  • One participant seeks guidance on the derivation of acceleration, indicating difficulty in understanding the last step of the process.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical derivation of acceleration using the product rule, showing the steps involved.
  • Some participants express frustration with textbooks that do not provide sufficient detail, suggesting that more explicit steps would benefit learners.
  • There is a recognition that different textbooks vary in their clarity and thoroughness, with some being more helpful than others.
  • Participants share personal reflections on their learning experiences, noting that they have learned to read multiple sources to gain a better understanding of complex topics.

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Participants generally agree that textbooks vary in their effectiveness at explaining concepts, and there is no consensus on the ideal approach to presenting mathematical derivations. The discussion reflects a mix of personal experiences and differing opinions on educational resources.

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Some participants highlight the limitations of textbooks in providing detailed explanations, suggesting that certain steps may be omitted due to assumptions about the reader's prior knowledge.

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Not sure on last step.
I need a little guidance on how they got the last step to derive acceleration, I can follow up till there. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I find it hard to move on unless I have understood.

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##v=\dfrac{dx}{dt}(i + 2xj)## and ##a=\dfrac{dv}{dt}.## So
\begin{align*}
a&\stackrel{def}{=}\dfrac{d}{dt}\left(\dfrac{dx}{dt}\cdot (i + 2xj)\right)\\
&\stackrel{\text{product rule}}{=}\dfrac{d^2}{dt^2}x \cdot (i + 2xj) + \dfrac{dx}{dt} \dfrac{d}{dt}(i + 2xj)\\
&=\dfrac{d^2}{dt^2}x \cdot (i + 2xj) + \dfrac{dx}{dt}\cdot\underbrace{\dfrac{d}{dt} i}_{=0}+\dfrac{dx}{dt}\cdot 2j\cdot \dfrac{d}{dt}x\\
&=\dfrac{d^2}{dt^2}x \cdot (i + 2xj) + 2j\left(\dfrac{dx}{dt}\right)^2
\end{align*}
 
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fresh_42 said:
##v=\dfrac{dx}{dt}(i + 2xj)## and ##a=\dfrac{dv}{dt}.## So
\begin{align*}
a&\stackrel{def}{=}\dfrac{d}{dt}\left(\dfrac{dx}{dt}\cdot (i + 2xj)\right)\\
&\stackrel{\text{product rule}}{=}\dfrac{d^2}{dt^2}x \cdot (i + 2xj) + \dfrac{dx}{dt} \dfrac{d}{dt}(i + 2xj)\\
&=\dfrac{d^2}{dt^2}x \cdot (i + 2xj) + \dfrac{dx}{dt}\cdot\underbrace{\dfrac{d}{dt} i}_{=0}+\dfrac{dx}{dt}\cdot 2j\cdot \dfrac{d}{dt}x\\
&=\dfrac{d^2}{dt^2}x \cdot (i + 2xj) + 2j\left(\dfrac{dx}{dt}\right)^2
\end{align*}
You legend! I know it might be pretty obvious to some but it really can’t be difficult for a textbook to show a few more steps, for slower people like myself. Ron larsons textbook is really good for showing steps I’ve noticed.

Thank you again! I can finally go to bed
 
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bigmike94 said:
I know it might be pretty obvious to some but it really can’t be difficult for a textbook to show a few more steps, for slower people like myself. Ron larsons textbook is really good for showing steps I’ve noticed.
Yes some textbooks are better than others on providing step by step solutions but if every textbook was going to show detailed step by step solutions for every problem and every proof then textbooks would be 3000-5000 pages long instead of the usual 300-500 pages.
 
Not every problems but in a worked example it’s not hard to put in brackets on the same line “product rule”. It helps for people with bad memory like me
 
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Well ok don't worry I understand, I also during my youth was complaining about books "this book doesn't explain this topic in full detail" "it omits too many non obvious steps" e.t.c. but oh well growing up I realized this is the world we living and those are the books we get e hehe.
 
Delta2 said:
Well ok don't worry I understand, I also during my youth was complaining about books "this book doesn't explain this topic in full detail" "it omits too many non obvious steps" e.t.c. but oh well growing up I realized this is the world we living and those are the books we get e hehe.
They’re good books don’t get me wrong I love them and I realize it is my own fault, this is why I have started reading multiple books on each chapter. It seems to help a tonne
 
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Yes well some books are much better than others but there isn't the perfect book. Its not exactly your fault if you can't find some step, this step might be not so obvious to you as it is to others and to the book author. Reading multiple books helps on that cause a book might provide some steps and explanation that are omitted by the other.
 
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