Rocket Propulsion Homework: Find Thrust & Impulse

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to rocket propulsion, specifically focusing on calculating thrust and specific impulse for a rocket engine under various back pressure conditions. Participants explore the implications of combustion chamber conditions, nozzle design, and the behavior of exhaust gases.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • The initial post outlines the problem statement, including specific parameters such as combustion chamber pressure, temperature, throat diameter, and nozzle area ratio.
  • Some participants suggest that additional equations are necessary for calculating thrust and determining the correct expansion of the nozzle.
  • One participant proposes using the expansion ratio to find the exit pressure and questions whether the back pressures provided are indeed the exit pressures.
  • Another participant raises a question about the relationship between back pressure and ambient pressure, seeking clarification on terminology.
  • There is a mention of calculated values for mass flow rate and characteristic exhaust velocity, with a request for feedback on their reasonableness.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of understanding gas velocity and pressure at the nozzle for solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of back pressure and ambient pressure, as well as the necessary equations for solving the problem. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the values calculated.

Contextual Notes

Some equations and relationships relevant to the problem are mentioned, but there are indications that key equations may be missing or misunderstood. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific assumptions about gas behavior and nozzle design.

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Students studying rocket propulsion, those interested in fluid dynamics and thermodynamics, and individuals seeking to understand the complexities of thrust calculations in aerospace engineering may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement



A rocket operating with combustion chamber pressure and temperatures of 14MPa and 2500K respectively, has a throat diameter of 0.3m, and a nozzle area ratio of 50:1.

Find the thrust and specific impulse developed by the motor with back pressures of 1 bar (10^5 Pa) and zero.

At what back pressure would the nozzle be correctly expanded?

Assume the combustion products behave as a perfect gas, with a constant specific heat ratio (y) of 1.4, and a constant specific gas constant (R) of 300 J/kg/K

Homework Equations



throat P/chamber P = ((y+1)/2)^(y/(1-y)) (for M=1) M = Mach number

throat T/chamber T = y/(y+1) (for M=1)

mdot = [(area of throat * throat P)/sqrt(throat t)]*[sqrt(y/R)]*((y + 1)/2)*((y + 1)/2(1 - y))

area of throat = pi * throat radius * throat radius

The Attempt at a Solution



chamber P = 14MPa
chamber T = 2,500K
throat diameter = 0.3m; throat diameter = 0.15m
y = 1.4 (constant specific heat ratio)
R = 300 J/kg/K

Calculate mdot --> through conditions @ throat M=M*=1

throat P/chamber P = ((y+1)/2)^(y/(1-y))

throat P = 7.4MPa

throat T/chamber T = y/(y+1)

throat T = 2,083.3K

mdot = [(area of throat * throat P)/sqrt(throat t)]*[sqrt(y/R)]*((y + 1)/2)*((y + 1)/2(1 - y))

mdot = 782.47

area of throat = pi * throat radius * throat radius

area of throat = 0.0707


This is where I get stuck, I need to incorporate these back pressures of 10^5 Pa and 0 Pa somehow. I know that for a correctly expanded nozzle, pressure of exit = ambient pressure

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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You are missing some key relevant equations. One obvious one is the pressure at the end of the nozzle, which you need both for calculating the thrust and for determining the pressure at which the nozzle is correctly expanded. Another is an equation for the thrust, and to get that you might find you need to know the exhaust velocity.
 
Thanks for the reply. Yes I thought I needed to calculate the velocity, but the only relevant equations for this that I could find were:

(velocity ^ 2)/2 = h chamber - h exit = Cp * (chamber T - exit T)?
 
Or, how about this, exhaust exit pressure is determined by the expansion ratio given by:
e = 50:1 = exit area/throat area = ambient P/exit P?
exit P = ambient P/50 = 280kPa?

EDIT:

Or are the exit pressures given as the back pressures?

ie. exit pressure 1 = 10^5 Pa & exit pressure 2 = 0 Pa.

AND...

The expansion ratio is used to calculate the exit pressure for correct expansion?
 
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Bump. Can anyone help?

Is back pressure the ambient pressure?

I've now calculate mdot as 782.6kg/s & c* = 1264.76m/s & a = 3059.7m/s

Do these seem unreasonable?
 
Question: Is this homework, or something you are doing on your own?

If this is homework your text almost assuredly has something on the velocity of the gas and the pressure at the nozzle.
 

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