Role of force in oscillatory motion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of force in oscillatory motion, particularly in the context of periodic motion and the forces acting on a pendulum. Participants explore the nature of equilibrium positions, the distinction between external and restorative forces, and the mechanics of oscillation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the phrase "very often" in relation to equilibrium positions in periodic motion, suggesting that circular motion may be an exception and asking for other examples of periodic motion that are not oscillatory.
  • Another participant mentions that periodic motion can include circular, elliptical, or more complex patterns in multiple dimensions.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of displacement and whether the force applied to displace a pendulum bob contributes to the oscillation or if it is the restorative forces that are responsible.
  • One participant asserts that after a small displacement, a force comes into action that is responsible for oscillations, while another participant challenges this by stating that the external force applied does not cause periodic oscillations but merely initiates displacement.
  • Participants discuss the role of gravity and restorative forces in the motion of a pendulum, suggesting that without these forces, the bob would not return to its equilibrium position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of external forces versus restorative forces in oscillatory motion. There is no consensus on whether the force applied to displace the pendulum bob is responsible for the oscillation or if it merely sets the conditions for oscillation to occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between external influences and internal restorative forces, with some arguing that the nature of these forces is crucial to understanding oscillatory motion. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the definitions and implications of these forces.

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My textbook says, "Very often the body undergoing periodic motion has an equilibrium position somewhere inside its path."
" If a body is given a small displacement from the equilibrium position, a force comes into play which tries to bring the body back to the equilibrium point giving rise to oscillations and vibrations."

I have the following doubts-
a) What do they mean by "very often"? I can only think of circular motion as the only case where the equilibrium position is not inside its path? Am I correct? And what are some other examples of periodic motion which are not oscillatory motion?
b) When we are giving the body a small displacement, aren't we applying a force, and wouldn't this force be responsible for giving rise to oscillations and vibrations. Why did they say that the force comes into play after the particle has been displaced?
In the example of a motion of bob of a pendulum, what forces cause the bob to move for so long?

I am new to this topic, so please explain as simply as possible.
 
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(a) circular, elliptical, or more complex patterns in at least two dimensions.
(b) It does not matter where the displacement comes from, as long as it is an external influence. You can put a new object in that position, for example. Afterwards you do not influence the system any more, and the internal forces in the system lead to an oscillation.
Elena14 said:
In the example of a motion of bob of a pendulum, what forces cause the bob to move for so long?
Gravity, a spring, or whatever is used in the pendulum.
 
1)After the small displacement, a force comes into action which is responsible for oscillations.
2) The force that we apply to displace the bob of the pendulum will cause it to oscillate.
How can both these statements be same?

Will you please explain what do you mean by keeping a new object in that position?
 
Elena14 said:
2) The force that we apply to displace the bob of the pendulum will cause it to oscillate.
Ignore the details how we displace the pendulum. It just leads to confusion. Assume the pendulum is displaced at the start of the setup.
Elena14 said:
Will you please explain what do you mean by keeping a new object in that position?
Not keeping it there. We place it there, then we let it free.
 
(b) It is incorrect to think that the external force that you apply to displace the bob causes the periodic oscillations.Imagine that there is no restorative force on the system.(in a pendulum case it would mean there is no gravity) Now when you slightly push the bob(ie external force applied)
the system just moves forward and never comes back(ie bob just goes forward linearly with const velocity after your hands have lost contact with the bob).

But when there is a restorative force acting on the system(ie gravity) then the restorative force pushes the bob back to the mean position,where the net force on the system is zero(tension cancels the pull of gravity).here at the mean position the system(bob) has some momentum that causes it to cross the mean position and then the restorative force tries to pull it back in towards the mean position.

Your force only causes a displacement of the bob from the mean position so that the restorative force can start operating .The actual oscillation is due to the restorative force.
 

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