Simple Harmonic Motion: why sin(wt) instead of sin(t)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mathematical representation of simple harmonic motion (SHM), specifically the use of the equation x = Asin(wt) versus x = Asin(t). Participants explore the implications of using angular frequency (ω) in the sine function and its relationship to the period of oscillation in systems like a simple pendulum.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the equation for SHM uses sin(wt) instead of sin(t), noting that time is plotted on the horizontal axis and displacement on the vertical.
  • Another participant explains that using sin(t) would imply a fixed period of 2π seconds, while sin(ωt) allows for varying periods determined by ω.
  • A different participant discusses the general form of wave equations, indicating that varying the period and amplitude leads to the expression y = A·sin(ω·t) + C.
  • It is noted that the argument of the sine function must be dimensionless, which supports the use of ωt instead of t, as ω has units of rad/sec.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of using sin(wt) versus sin(t), with some clarifying the necessity of ω for dimensional consistency and others exploring the broader implications of wave equations. No consensus is reached on the initial question posed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the units involved in the sine function's argument, as well as the implications of varying parameters in wave equations. The discussion remains focused on the mathematical representation without resolving the initial query about the preference for sin(wt).

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Hello,
I have recently been introduced to the topic of simple harmonic motion for the first time (I'm currently an A-level physics student). I feel that I have understood the fundamental ideas behind SHM very well. However, I have one question which has been bugging me and I can't seem to find a valid answer.
I will consider the example of a simple pendulum which has been set in motion and therefore oscillates about a fixed equilibrium position.
If the displacement of the pendulum bob is considered as a function of time, then the graph of x/t is analogous to a sine curve (assuming that the bob is released from a point of maximum displacement - since I believe that starting from the equilibrium position would produce a cosine curve [please correct me if I'm wrong here])
The graph will have the equation x = Asin(wt). Now I try to break this down in order to understand why this equation is true for SHM.
Firstly, as I said the variation of x with t produces a sine curve, explaining why X is a function of sin(t). I'm fine with that. Next, I understand that A (the amplitude or max. displacement) is a coefficient on the outside because it has the effect of 'stretching' the sine curve (since the bob oscillates between positions of max. displacement either side.) Again, that all makes sense. However, what I do not understand is why sin(wt) [I know omega is the letter used but I only have w on my keyboard] is used instead of sin(t). It is time which is plotted on the horizontal axis, so surely the y-axis represents displacement (x) and the x-axis represents time (t).
Why is the equation not:
x = Asin(t)?

If somebody could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
 
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thebosonbreaker said:
Hello,
I have recently been introduced to the topic of simple harmonic motion for the first time (I'm currently an A-level physics student). I feel that I have understood the fundamental ideas behind SHM very well. However, I have one question which has been bugging me and I can't seem to find a valid answer.
I will consider the example of a simple pendulum which has been set in motion and therefore oscillates about a fixed equilibrium position.
If the displacement of the pendulum bob is considered as a function of time, then the graph of x/t is analogous to a sine curve (assuming that the bob is released from a point of maximum displacement - since I believe that starting from the equilibrium position would produce a cosine curve [please correct me if I'm wrong here])
The graph will have the equation x = Asin(wt). Now I try to break this down in order to understand why this equation is true for SHM.
Firstly, as I said the variation of x with t produces a sine curve, explaining why X is a function of sin(t). I'm fine with that. Next, I understand that A (the amplitude or max. displacement) is a coefficient on the outside because it has the effect of 'stretching' the sine curve (since the bob oscillates between positions of max. displacement either side.) Again, that all makes sense. However, what I do not understand is why sin(wt) [I know omega is the letter used but I only have w on my keyboard] is used instead of sin(t). It is time which is plotted on the horizontal axis, so surely the y-axis represents displacement (x) and the x-axis represents time (t).
Why is the equation not:
x = Asin(t)?

If somebody could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.

Not all SHM has the same period. If we are measuring time in seconds, then ##\sin(t)## would imply a period of ##2\pi## seconds. Whereas, for ##\sin(\omega t)## the period is ##\frac{2\pi}{\omega}##, which covers the general case where ##\omega## determines the period (or vice versa).

For example, if the period of the pendulum is 5 seconds, then ##\omega = \frac{2\pi}{5}##.
 
If you have ##y=A\cdot \sin(x)## then you have determined a set of certain waves by varying the amplitude. But you can also vary the period, and whether the graph must contain ##(0,0)##. So varying the period gives you ##y=A\cdot \sin(\omega \cdot t)## and a translation out ##(0,0)## an additional constant shift ##C##, so all in all ##y=A\cdot \sin (\omega \cdot t) + C## defines the most general class of waves, if neither amplitude nor period varies in time. We could certainly adjust the coordinate system to make ##A=\omega = 1## and ##C=0##, but what to do if a second wave is considered in parallel?
 
thebosonbreaker said:
Why is the equation not:
x = Asin(t)?

The argument of the sine function must be radians (or dimensionless).
So, if t has units of time (e.g. sec), then sin(t) doesn't make sense.
Indeed, \omega has units of rad/sec... so that \omega t has units of radians (or is dimensionless).

Side comment:
Similarly, the argument of log() and exp() must be dimensionless.
In the stat mech class I am teaching, I complained about the textbook integrating \int^{V_{b}}_{V_{a}}\frac{dV}{V}=\ln V_{b} - \ln V_{a} , where V is a volume.
It should be \int^{V_{b}}_{V_{a}}\frac{dV}{V}=\ln \frac{V_{b}}{V_{a}} .
If you really want to write a difference then one should write
\int^{V_{b}}_{V_{a}}\frac{dV}{V}=\ln \frac{V_{b}}{V_{ref}} - \ln \frac{ V_{a}}{V_{ref}} ., where V_{ref} is any nonzero reference volume.
 
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