Simple Pendulum: Oscillatory & Periodic Motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a simple pendulum is classified as an example of oscillatory motion, periodic motion, or both. Participants explore definitions and distinctions between these terms, considering their implications in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the simple pendulum exemplifies both oscillatory and periodic motion.
  • Others emphasize the importance of understanding definitions of "oscillatory motion" and "periodic motion" before categorizing the pendulum.
  • A participant notes that for small-amplitude oscillations, the pendulum's motion approximates simple harmonic motion, while acknowledging that not all oscillatory motions are simple harmonic.
  • One participant suggests that orbits are periodic but not oscillatory, prompting a discussion on whether such motions can be considered oscillations along multiple axes.
  • Another participant argues that uniform motion or non-closed trajectories do not qualify as oscillatory motion.
  • Some participants propose that there may be a useful distinction between oscillatory and periodic motion, with oscillatory referring to motions that swing around a mean state.
  • A later reply indicates that terminology discussions often do not lead to substantial conclusions, suggesting that the definitions may overlap.
  • One participant expresses that a well-written description of a phenomenon should not hinge on the choice of terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and distinctions between oscillatory and periodic motion, with multiple competing views remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include varying interpretations of terminology, the dependence on specific definitions, and the potential for unresolved distinctions between oscillatory and periodic motion.

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Is the simple pendulum considered to be an example of oscillatory motion or periodic motion or both?
 
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Bassel AbdulSabour said:
Is the simple pendulum considered to be an example of oscillatory motion or periodic motion or both?
Both!
 
Bassel AbdulSabour said:
Is the simple pendulum considered to be an example of oscillatory motion or periodic motion or both?

What do you know about the definitions of "oscillatory motion" and "periodic motion"?

Without us having the knowledge of what you already know, and without knowing those definitions and what a simple pendulum is, this will not be physics, but rather "stamp collecting" where we put something into a particular category without understanding why.

Suggestion: your posts should often consist more than just one single sentence, especially when you are new here and people still are not sure of your level of understanding.

Zz.
 
Bassel AbdulSabour said:
Is the simple pendulum considered to be an example of oscillatory motion or periodic motion or both?

In the introductory physics lessons on oscillatory motion the issue with the pendulum is that for small-amplitude oscillations the motion is approximately simple harmonic motion. But there are lots of examples of oscillatory motion that are not simple harmonic motion, and there are lots of examples of periodic motion that are not usually called oscillatory motion.
 
Mister T said:
there are lots of examples of periodic motion that are not usually called oscillatory motion.
I can't think of any. If you have 'motion' then something must be oscillating. You are seem to be querying the use of words but where is the distinction between the two terms that seems to be giving you a problem.
It's bad value for you to worry too much about the way terms are used. Just read a lot and come to your own conclusions whether people actually mean the same thing or if they are not particularly well informed. (It wouldn't be the first time, on the Internet. :wink:`0
 
sophiecentaur said:
I can't think of any.

An orbit, I would say, is periodic but not an oscillation.
 
PeroK said:
An orbit, I would say, is periodic but not an oscillation.
Can't it be regarded as oscillation along two axes?
 
sophiecentaur said:
Can't it be regarded as oscillation along two axes?

Sure it can. It's just unusual to refer to that kind of periodic motion as oscillatory motion.
 
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Mister T said:
Sure it can. It's just unusual to refer to that kind of periodic motion as oscillatory motion.
Which all goes to show how threads about terminology and classification tend not to get us very far. If you hang up a pendulum and push it in a direction, slightly away from the centre, you surely can't describe its motion as being fundamentally different from when you just let it go.
The definitions of either term seem to contain and certainly don't exclude the other. Not something to worry about too much.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
If you have 'motion' then something must be oscillating.
Uniform motion (straight line or rest) or trajectories that don’t form closed orbits would be examples of “not oscillatory” motion.

As for “oscillatory” vs. “periodic,” I’d argue that there does seem to be a useful difference, at least in the common usage that I am familiar with. Oscillatory means anything that “swings” between states around a mean. This includes a simple pendulum, which is in periodic motion. However, people also talk about other oscillatory systems that are clearly aperodic, such as a damped oscillator or maybe a flag flapping in the wind or even El Niño.
 
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I don't feel that strongly abut this. I would say that a well written description of any phenomenon would not hang on the choice of either word in particular. But your point about regularity is well made and could distinguish between the two terms.
 
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