Root Test Question: Baby Rudin Example 3.35

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The discussion revolves around the application of the root test to the series presented in Baby Rudin Example 3.35, which consists of terms involving powers of fractions. Participants are exploring the nuances of the limit calculations involved in the root test.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the root test to the series and are discussing the limits involved in the calculations. There is confusion regarding the correct formulation of the limits as presented by Rudin, particularly for odd and even indices.

Discussion Status

Some participants are questioning the steps taken in the limit calculations and are seeking clarification on the differences between their approaches and Rudin's. There is acknowledgment of various methods to analyze the series, with some expressing confusion about the reasoning behind specific steps in the limit evaluation.

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One participant notes the absence of the Rudin text, which may limit their ability to fully engage with the problem as intended. Additionally, there is mention of bounding the series as a potential alternative approach, which may diverge from the original learning objective.

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Homework Statement



Consider the following series (Baby Rudin Example 3.35):
[itex]\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{2^2} + \frac{1}{3^2} + \frac{1}{2^3} + \frac{1}{3^3} + \ldots[/itex]

We have to apply the root test.

2. The attempt at a solution
[itex]\sqrt[n]{2^{-\frac{n+1}{2}}} = \sqrt[2n]{2^{-(n+1)}}[/itex] for n odd; (1)
[itex]\sqrt[n]{3^{-\frac{n}{2}}} = \sqrt[2n]{3^{-n}}[/itex] for n even.

Letting [itex]n\to\infty[/itex] we have [itex]1/\sqrt{3}[/itex] and [itex]1/\sqrt{2}[/itex] for inferior and superior limits. This result is equivalent to that one of Rudin, however, he states, that for n odd, we have [itex]\sqrt[2n]{2^{-n}}[/itex] in Eq. (1).

What is the obvious thing that I'm still missing? Thanks for responses in advance!
 
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camillio said:

Homework Statement



Consider the following series (Baby Rudin Example 3.35):
[itex]\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{2^2} + \frac{1}{3^2} + \frac{1}{2^3} + \frac{1}{3^3} + \ldots[/itex]

We have to apply the root test.

2. The attempt at a solution
[itex]\sqrt[n]{2^{-\frac{n+1}{2}}} = \sqrt[2n]{2^{-(n+1)}}[/itex] for n odd; (1)
[itex]\sqrt[n]{3^{-\frac{n}{2}}} = \sqrt[2n]{3^{-n}}[/itex] for n even.

Letting [itex]n\to\infty[/itex] we have [itex]1/\sqrt{3}[/itex] and [itex]1/\sqrt{2}[/itex] for inferior and superior limits. This result is equivalent to that one of Rudin, however, he states, that for n odd, we have [itex]\sqrt[2n]{2^{-n}}[/itex] in Eq. (1).

What is the obvious thing that I'm still missing? Thanks for responses in advance!

That's not what Rudin says. The only thing that Rudin says is

[tex]\limsup{\sqrt[n]{a_n}}=\lim{\sqrt[2n]{2^{-n}}}[/tex]

which is certainly true. I think you may be confused because he left out a small step

[tex]\limsup{\sqrt[n]{a_n}} = \lim{\sqrt[2n]{2^{-(n+1)}}} = \lim{\sqrt[2n]{2^{-1}}\sqrt[2n]{2^{-n}}}=\lim{\sqrt[2n]{2^{-n}}}[/tex]
 
I don't have the Rudin text available to me.

However, can't we bound the series above to establish convergence by
[itex]\sum(1/2^k + 1/2^k)[/itex] from k = 1 to oo?
If necessary, find a way to reindex the given series to match.
The bounding series then becomes,
[itex]\sum(2 * 1/2^k)[/itex] from k = 1 to oo,

Maybe that bypasses, what we're supposed to be learning.
 
micromass said:
I think you may be confused because he left out a small step

Thank you, I was confused with this. I had the same idea, but I didn't see the reason for solving the limit for only one part of the formula. Of course, the equality of RHS and LHS is obvious. But that is the pure math and the Rudin's (correct) way :-)
 
nickalh: of course, there are several possible ways how to solve it, but I was confused by the Rudin's way.
 

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