Roots of -8: Solving with Exponential Form

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The discussion revolves around finding the six roots of the complex number -8 + 0i, specifically using exponential form to express the roots. Participants explore the conversion of the complex number into its exponential representation and the implications of different choices for the argument.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the method of expressing the complex number in exponential form and the subsequent calculations for finding the roots. Questions arise regarding the choice of the argument and the appearance of a negative sign in the provided solution.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the different expressions for the roots. Some participants have noted that both expressions yield the same roots, albeit with a shift in the value of k. Clarifications regarding the principal argument and its definition are being discussed, with some participants expressing satisfaction upon reconciling their calculations with the provided solution.

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Participants mention the importance of defining the principal argument within specific ranges, such as (-π, π] or [-π, π). There is also a reference to the graphical representation of the roots in the complex plane.

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I'm supposed to find the 6 roots of -8 + 0i

we are told the usual method of for these problems is to put the complex number into it's exponential form like so

z = |z|exp( i(θ+2πk)) where k: [0 to n-1]

then put it to the relevant power 'n'

z1/n = |z|1/nexp(( i(θ+2πk)/n)

so I proceed by taking θ to be pi...

z1/6 = 81/6exp(( i(π+2πk)/6)

thinking the question is easy...

then in the solution given for the question the answer is 81/6exp(( i(-π+2πk)/6)

I don't understand where this minus has come from - is the solution wrong or am I missing something?

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Both expressions are the same 6 numbers, it's just that the value of k in one set is shifted by 1 with respect to the other set.
 
31415 said:

Homework Statement



I'm supposed to find the 6 roots of -8 + 0i

we are told the usual method of for these problems is to put the complex number into it's exponential form like so

z = |z|exp( i(θ+2πk)) where k: [0 to n-1]

then put it to the relevant power 'n'

z1/n = |z|1/nexp(( i(θ+2πk)/n)

so I proceed by taking θ to be pi...

z1/6 = 81/6exp(( i(π+2πk)/6)

thinking the question is easy...

then in the solution given for the question the answer is 81/6exp(( i(-π+2πk)/6)

I don't understand where this minus has come from - is the solution wrong or am I missing something?

You could always use
$$
w_k = r^{1/n}\left[\cos\frac{\theta + 2\pi k}{n}+i\sin\frac{\theta + 2\pi k}{n}\right]
$$
where ##n## is the number of roots in your case 6, ##\theta## is the angle, and ##k = 0,1,..,n-1##

Then ##r = 8## and ##\theta = \pi## where the principle argument is define as ##\theta\in (-\pi,\pi]##
So
$$
w_k = 8^{1/6}\left[\cos\frac{\pi + 2\pi k}{6}+i\sin\frac{\pi + 2\pi k}{6}\right] = 8^{1/6}\exp\left[i\frac{\pi + 2\pi k}{6}\right]
$$

So how could ##\pi## be negative? Simply define the the principle argument to be ##\theta\in [-\pi,\pi)##.

And sometimes it will be defined be excluding ##\pi## all together like ##\theta\in (-\pi,\pi)##
 
what minus sign? I see the -8+0i which you've handled by using pi for theta.

your answer looks right as it is.
 
ah i see when I take the principle arguments of each root then the answers agree - thanks all. Still don't understand why he decided to do it like that but I guess it doesn't matter :)
 
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You're supposed to find the 6 sixth roots of -8 .
 
SammyS said:
You're supposed to find the 6 sixth roots of -8 .

yeah I know that - ... e^i*pi = -1

8 e^i*pi = -8

e^2*pi*k =1 for k: 0,1,2,3...
 
and when you plot them in the complex plane it will look like a six evenly spaced slices of a pizza pi with a centerline about the imaginary axis.
 
And of course you can write ##\sqrt{2}## in place of ##8^{1/6}## in your answer.
 

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