Rotating a Perfectly Smooth Cylinder

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical modeling of a perfectly smooth cylinder composed of identical particles, focusing on its angular momentum, energy eigenvalues, and the implications of its rotational properties. The inquiry includes both classical and quantum considerations, as well as comparisons to a thick "nicked" cylinder.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a model of a perfectly smooth cylinder as a ring of equally spaced, identical particles, questioning the calculation of angular momentum and energy eigenvalues.
  • The same participant suggests that the energy difference between the ground state and the first rotational state approaches infinity as the number of particles increases.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the discussion pertains to a classical or quantum cylinder.
  • A subsequent reply confirms that the cylinder in question is quantum in nature.
  • There is a question regarding the mass density of the thick "nicked" cylinder, implying it may be uniform.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the classification of the cylinder as classical or quantum, indicating a lack of consensus on this aspect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the mathematical derivation of the energy requirements for rotation.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the cylinders and their rotational properties, which may depend on definitions of smoothness and symmetry. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the energy calculations and the implications of infinite energy requirements.

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Readers interested in theoretical physics, particularly in quantum mechanics and rotational dynamics, may find this discussion relevant.

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Consider the following model of a perfectly smooth cylinder. it it a ring of equally spaced, identical particles, with mass M/N, so that the mass of the ring is M and its moment of inertia MR², with R the radius of the ring. Calculate the possible values of the angular momentum. Calculate the energy eigenvalues. What is the energy difference between the ground state of zero angular momentum, and the first rotational state? Show that this approaches infinity as N-->oo. Constrast this with the comparable energy for a thick "nicked" cylinder, which lacks the symetry under the rotation through 2pi/N radians. This exemple implies that it is impossible to set a perfectly smooth cylinder in rotation, which is consistent with the fact that for a perfectly smooth cyinder such a rotation would be unobservable.

I've seen this question asked before, but no one offered a solution. And now that I have had this problem assigned to me, I figured I'de check to see if anyone has come up with a solution yet.

Conceptually, I understand that a perfectly smooth cylinder cannot rotate because it would be unobservable, but how would one go about showing this mathematically? Perhaps showing that it would take an infinite amount of energy to set such a cylinder in motion would be easier--however, I still wouldn't know how to mathematically derive this result.

Thanks for at least reading this =)
Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I don't really understand. Is this a classical or quantum cylinder?
 
I'm sorry--this would be a quantum cylinder.
 
And i suppose that thick necked cylinder has some mass density which is uniform?
 

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