Rotating Detonation Engine, the future of aviation propulsion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential of Rotating Detonation Engines (RDEs) as a future propulsion technology for aviation compared to traditional low/high bypass turbofan engines. Participants explore the feasibility, current research, and applications of RDEs, particularly in hypersonic flight and military contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that RDEs will not replace turbofans for subsonic propulsion, emphasizing that RDEs are primarily being researched for hypersonics and as alternatives to conventional rocket engines.
  • Concerns are raised about the significant gains in specific impulse required for RDEs to compete with commercial turbofans, suggesting that a factor of ten or more is needed, which some believe is not feasible.
  • Participants note the complexity of RDEs and their current limitations, such as thrust capabilities and packaging issues, particularly in high-speed applications.
  • There is a discussion about the well-engineered nature of commercial turbofans, which are seen as having the highest specific impulses for chemical propulsion known to date.
  • One participant questions the implications of ongoing research, suggesting that the future of RDEs remains uncertain and dependent on the outcomes of testing.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that ongoing research equates to future viability, using diesel engines as an example of a technology that has been in practical use despite ongoing research.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the future viability of RDEs compared to turbofans, with some asserting that turbofans will continue to dominate, while others highlight the potential applications of RDEs in specific contexts like military aviation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall future of RDEs in aviation propulsion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the future of RDEs is uncertain and contingent on successful testing and overcoming significant challenges. There is also a distinction made between research aimed at economic viability versus incremental improvements to existing technologies.

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Is the use of RDEs for aviation propulsion happening anytime sooner or the use of low/high bypass turbofan engines will continue ?
Hello everyone, I am Abheer and I am a high school student. Few days back I saw an article about RDEs (Rotating Detonation Engines). The article said it is the future of aviation propulsion. I want to ask, is it really so that RDEs are future or the low/high bypass turbofan engines will continue to rule the skies till the end of 21st century ?
 
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Hi Abheer- turbofans will not be replaced by RDEs for subsonic propulsion. RDEs are being researched for hypersonics and alternatives to conventional deflagration rocket engines. The gains in specific impulse would have to be a factor of ten or more to make the RDE compete with a commercial turbofan. This is not feasible, and because RDEs are very complex, I would say that will never happen.

RDEs are being investigated at universities, but they are also being investigated in the military. Currently, the most powerful publicly-acknowledged RDE I am aware of is sitting at 22kN of thrust. This is still not quite cutting it for some necessities in hypersonics, such as packaging limitations, or simply thrust required to maintain a glide at high Mach numbers.

Basically, the "normal, lame" commercial turbofans you know on airplanes are actually extremely well-engineered engines with the highest specific impulses known to mankind for chemical propulsion. RDEs offer something to rocketry, but not to the plane you fly to LA.
 
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Benjies said:
Hi Abheer- turbofans will not be replaced by RDEs for subsonic propulsion. RDEs are being researched for hypersonics and alternatives to conventional deflagration rocket engines. The gains in specific impulse would have to be a factor of ten or more to make the RDE compete with a commercial turbofan. This is not feasible, and because RDEs are very complex, I would say that will never happen.

RDEs are being investigated at universities, but they are also being investigated in the military. Currently, the most powerful publicly-acknowledged RDE I am aware of is sitting at 22kN of thrust. This is still not quite cutting it for some necessities in hypersonics, such as packaging limitations, or simply thrust required to maintain a glide at high Mach numbers.

Basically, the "normal, lame" commercial turbofans you know on airplanes are actually extremely well-engineered engines with the highest specific impulses known to mankind for chemical propulsion. RDEs offer something to rocketry, but not to the plane you fly to LA.
What do you think about their use in fighter jet and UAVs
 
Abheer Parashar said:
TL;DR Summary: Is the use of RDEs for aviation propulsion happening anytime sooner or the use of low/high bypass turbofan engines will continue ?

I want to ask, is it really so that RDEs are future or the low/high bypass turbofan engines will continue to rule the skies till the end of 21st century ?
Whenever you read that something is being developed, or investigated, or researched, it means that the future is uncertain. It may be used in the future if tests are successful, or it may be dropped if tests fail or if major disadvantages are found. There are many more failures than successes.
 
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Well that's not really accurate. Diesel engines are still "being researched" and yet have been in practice use for over a century.
 
boneh3ad said:
Well that's not really accurate. Diesel engines are still "being researched" and yet have been in practice use for over a century.
We're drifting off topic here, but there is a distinction between "being researched" for economic viability and "being researched" for incremental improvements to something already known to be economically viable.
 
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