Rotation - Angular acceleration

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular acceleration in the context of a pulley system. The original poster is trying to understand the relationship between the linear acceleration of a block and the angular acceleration of the pulley, specifically questioning why the angular acceleration is expressed as α = a/r instead of α = 2a/r.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the linear motion of the block and the rotational motion of the pulley, questioning the assumptions about the acceleration at different points of the system.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mechanics of the system, illustrating how the movement of the block affects the pulley. There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the equations presented, with participants actively questioning and clarifying their understanding of the concepts involved.

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There appears to be confusion regarding the acceleration of different points on the pulley and the implications for angular acceleration. Participants have drawn diagrams to aid in their understanding, indicating a visual approach to resolving the conceptual issues at hand.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I need to know what will be angular acceleration of the pulley

i guessed that point A will have same acceleration as of the string and therefore of the block i.e. 2a

so angular acc., α = 2a/r

but it comes out that α = a/r

WHY?
 

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cupid.callin said:
i guessed that point A will have same acceleration as of the string and therefore of the block i.e. 2a

so angular acc., α = 2a/r

but it comes out that α = a/r

WHY?

It's true that the string at point A has the same acceleration as the block (2a).
However, it will still be that α = a/r.

To understand this, let's say that the block moves to the right by 2x.
Then the string at A will go downward by 2x.
However, the pulley itself will go down by x, and not by 2x.

Since the string goes down by 2x and the pulley goes down by x, the the pulley will rotate by an amount phi = x/r.
Note that the missing string part is found on the right of the pulley where the string length increases by x.
 
I like Serena said:
To understand this, let's say that the block moves to the right by 2x.
Then the string at A will go downward by 2x.

wont the String at A will go down by x
and also by x on point diametrically opposite to A ? :confused:

But i still can't understand why α = a/r
:confused::cry:
 
cupid.callin said:
wont the String at A will go down by x
and also by x on point diametrically opposite to A ? :confused:

But i still can't understand why α = a/r
:confused::cry:

I've drawn the following picture:
pulley.jpg


Here you have the situation before and after the block moves 2x to the right.
As you can see, point A lowers to A' which is 2x lower.
The pulley moves down by x, and rotates on its circumference by x.
This makes the pulley rotate by an amount φ = x/r (and not by 2x/r!).
With 'α' being the second derivative of φ, and with 'a' being the second derivative of 'x', this yields α = a/r (and not 2a/r!).
 
I like Serena said:
I've drawn the following picture:
View attachment 33301

Here you have the situation before and after the block moves 2x to the right.
As you can see, point A lowers to A' which is 2x lower.
The pulley moves down by x, and rotates on its circumference by x.
This makes the pulley rotate by an amount φ = x/r (and not by 2x/r!).
With 'α' being the second derivative of φ, and with 'a' being the second derivative of 'x', this yields α = a/r (and not 2a/r!).

Hey thanks a lot "I like Serena"

You really helped me a lot

I had 4 questions stuck due to this problem !

Thanks a Lot !
 

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