Rotation curve with neutral hydrogen and dark matter

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rotation curves of galaxies, particularly focusing on the role of neutral hydrogen and dark matter. Participants explore how the presence of dark matter influences the rotation curve profile, especially in galaxies with varying amounts of dark matter, and whether the flat rotation curve can be attributed solely to dark matter or if other factors are involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the rotation curve profile of neutral hydrogen in galaxies with less dark matter.
  • Neutral hydrogen is observed through 21-centimetre radio emission resulting from collisions between neutral hydrogen atoms.
  • There is a suggestion that the flat rotation curve may be due to the presence of more matter in the form of dark matter, or possibly due to some unexplained property of dark matter.
  • Some participants argue that dark matter is not necessary to explain small-scale phenomena, such as those observed in the Solar System, and question its necessity for explaining galactic rotation.
  • Velocity dispersion in the outer regions of galaxies is noted to be higher than expected, indicating the presence of more matter than what is visible, which is primarily concentrated towards the center.
  • It is mentioned that the solar system has a much higher density of baryonic matter compared to the galactic disk, suggesting that baryonic matter dominates orbital dynamics in the solar system, while dark matter plays a larger role in the galactic disk.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the necessity of dark matter for explaining galactic rotation, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about the distribution of dark matter and its effects on rotation curves, as well as the dependence on definitions of small-scale versus large-scale phenomena.

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Flat rotation curve in galaxies is determined by observing neutral hydrogen which is co-distributed with dark matter. What is the rotation curve profile of neutral hydrogen in galaxies where there is less dark matter?
 
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How is neutral hydrogen observed?
 
mathman said:
How is neutral hydrogen observed?
Through 21-centimetre radio emission arising out of collision between neutral hydrogen atoms.
 
Keplerian.
 
stefan r said:
Keplerian.
So is the flat rotation curve only due to the presence of more matter in the form of dark matter, or is it also due to some unexplained property of dark matter.
 
Ranku said:
So is the flat rotation curve only due to the presence of more matter in the form of dark matter, or is it also due to some unexplained property of dark matter.
The disc structure is very common at all scales of rotating groups of objects in space. From what I understand, dark matter is not needed to explain small scale phenomena (Solar System). Is it needed for galactic rotation explanation?
 
sophiecentaur said:
The disc structure is very common at all scales of rotating groups of objects in space. From what I understand, dark matter is not needed to explain small scale phenomena (Solar System). Is it needed for galactic rotation explanation?
Velocity dispersion in outer regions of galaxies are higher than expected, indicating presence of more matter than the visible matter, which are mostly concentrated toward the centre.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
The disc structure is very common at all scales of rotating groups of objects in space. From what I understand, dark matter is not needed to explain small scale phenomena (Solar System). Is it needed for galactic rotation explanation?
The solar system as a whole has a much higher density than the galactic disk in terms of baryonic matter. So even though the density of
DM is roughly the same, the ratio of baryonic to dark matter in the solar system is extremely high compared to the disk as whole. Thus in the solar system, baryonic matter dominates the orbital dynamics, while in the disk as a whole, DM contributes to a larger percentage of the gravitational interaction.
 
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