Rotation Energy Levels and Degeneracy.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of rotational energy levels and degeneracy in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of diatomic gases and the Schrödinger equation in spherical coordinates. Participants explore the relationship between quantum numbers, energy levels, and degeneracy, as well as the physical interpretation of these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for rotational energy levels as ε_l = K·l(l+1) and questions how degeneracy g_l = 2l+1 is derived and interpreted, particularly for l=1.
  • Another participant clarifies that degeneracy occurs when different eigenstates have the same energy and notes that the quantum number 'l' alone does not fully specify the state, introducing the need for an additional quantum number 'm' which ranges from -l to +l.
  • A further reply emphasizes that different values of 'l' cannot yield the same energy due to the dependence of energy on l, but acknowledges that 'm' does not affect energy and is necessary for complete state specification.
  • One participant draws an analogy to the hydrogen atom, explaining that energy depends only on the principal quantum number 'n', while different 'l' and 'm' values correspond to the same energy level, thus leading to degeneracy.
  • Another participant suggests that the discussion relates to a rigid rotor system and explains how the energy of the molecule depends on the magnitude of angular momentum rather than its orientation, with each 'm_l' representing different orientations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between quantum numbers and energy levels, particularly regarding the role of 'l' and 'm' in determining degeneracy. There is no consensus on the interpretation of degeneracy and its implications for energy levels.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Schrödinger equation and spherical harmonics, but there are assumptions and dependencies on definitions that remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of quantum numbers on energy levels and degeneracy.

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Solving the Schrödinger equation in spherical coordinates for a diatomic gas, one finds that the rotational energy leves are given by:

\epsilon_l=K\cdot l(l+1) where l=0,1,2... is the rotational quantum number and K is a constant.

It is said that each energy level shows a degeneracy of g_l=2l+1.

I understand Degeneracy occurs if for different energy levels one has the same value of energy. Is that right?. Is every quantum number representing an energy level? If that, \epsilon is a single valued function of l, so I cannot have the same energy for different quantum numbers. How is the thing of g_l obtained, and how is it physically interpretable for let's say l=1?.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Degeneracy occurs when you have different eigenstates having the same energy. In this case the quantum number 'l' is apparently not enough to completely specify the state, you also need a quantum number 'm' which ranges from -l to +l in integer steps, so that gives a degeneracy level of 2l+1.
 
Galileo said:
Degeneracy occurs when you have different eigenstates having the same energy.
So that means that for different l which is a multiple of the eigenvalue I have to have the same energy.

In this case the quantum number 'l' is apparently not enough to completely specify the state, you also need a quantum number 'm' which ranges from -l to +l in integer steps, so that gives a degeneracy level of 2l+1.

I don't see that. Can you elaborate that a little bit more?. Also I don't see the logic of the the "so that" you are using.

Thanks.
 
Clausius2 said:
So that means that for different l which is a multiple of the eigenvalue I have to have the same energy.
No, you can't have different l's and the same energy, because in this case E=l(l+1)K, so states with different l's have different energies. There's another quantum number needed to specify a state, which does not affect the energy, that's m.

Consider the hydrogen atom. An eigenstate requires three quantum numbers to characterize: n, l and m, where n is a positive integer, l can range from 0 to n-1 and m from -l to l (all in integer steps). In this case the energy is only dependent on n. So all states with the same n, but different l and m have the same energy. The degeneracy of the n'th energy level is n^2 (it's just counting, see below).

I don't see that. Can you elaborate that a little bit more?. Also I don't see the logic of the the "so that" you are using.

Thanks.
Well, I haven't looked at or solved the Schrödinger equation for this case. I assumed it was similar to a rigid rotor system. The angular part of the wave function are described by spherical harmonics which have two quantum numbers l and m. m ranges from -l to l in integer steps, so given l, m can take the values l, l-1, l-2, ..., 0, -1, -2, ..., -l. If you count, that are 2l+1 possible values for m (1,2,..,l gives l values, -1,-2,..,-l another l, plus the 0 gives 2l+1 total).
 
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Galileo said:
Well, I haven't looked at or solved the Schrödinger equation for this case. I assumed it was similar to a rigid rotor system.
It is the rigid rotor, isn't it?

Clausius, you could think of the energy of the molecule as depending only on the magnitude and not the orientation of the angular momentum vector. For any given l, you can picture each m_l as corresponding to a different orientation of the angular momentum about some fixed axis (with the constraint that there are only a limited number of such allowed orientations).
 

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