Rotation of cartesian coordinate system

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The discussion revolves around the rotation of points in a Cartesian coordinate system using a rotation formula. Participants are exploring the derivation of this formula, particularly how the cosine and sine transformations apply to the rotation of coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the physical visualization of the rotation formula and how it is derived. Questions arise about the relationship between the angle of rotation and the coordinates of the rotated point, as well as the application of angle sum formulas.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved in the rotation of coordinates. Some participants have provided insights into the use of vectors and angle relationships, while others are seeking clarification on specific terms and their derivations. The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's reasoning and providing guidance on corrections.

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Participants are working under the constraints of deriving the rotation formula without providing complete solutions, focusing instead on understanding the underlying concepts and relationships between the variables involved.

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Please see the rotation formula in the attachment.

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I understand this formula rotates x,y into x',y' by some angle theta. Problem is, how is this formula derived? I cannot for the life of me visualize the cosine and sine transformation physically. Can someone explain to me how you get this formula. Thank you very much.
 

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Consider the vector that extends from the origin to the point (x,y) in the base coordinate system. It has some magnitude R and angle β with respect to the x-axis of the coordinate system. In fact, x = Rcos(β) and y = Rsin(β).

Rotating that point around the origin by some angle θ is equivalent to rotating the vector by θ, so what would the coordinates of its endpoint be?
 
so the end points would be x=Rcos(β+θ), y=Rsin(β+θ). Then what? I still can't see how this relates to the formula, espcially how in the formula for x' and y' individually there are x and y terms together.
 
What you just found are the [itex]x'[/itex] and [itex]y'[/itex] coordinates. Expand the sines and cosines using angle sum formulas and put any sines or cosines of [itex]\beta[/itex] in terms of the origina [itex]x,y[/itex].
 
x' = R(cosβcosθ-sinβsinθ)
y' = R(sinβcosθ+sinβcosθ)

x' = R[(x/R)cosθ-(y/R)sinθ]
y' = R[(y/R)cosθ+(y/R)cosθ]

arrrrgh almost there. First term in y' is wrong. I get y' = ycosθ ... instead of y' = xsinθ ...Can someone point out myt mistake? Thanks a lot for your help!
 
In your second line, you forgot to switch beta and theta in the second term.
 

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