Rotation of CO2 bonds and triple bonds.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the rotation of bonds in molecules, specifically focusing on carbon dioxide (CO2) and triple bonds. Participants explore the implications of bond rotation, symmetry, and the nature of electron density in these molecular structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that triple bonds cannot rotate freely, referencing various sources.
  • Others challenge this notion, suggesting that for linear molecules like N2 or HCCH, rotation may not be discernible.
  • A participant mentions that certain metal compounds with triple bonds may exhibit observable rotation and measurable isomerization energies.
  • There is a question about whether triple bonds are cylindrically symmetric, with some arguing that in linear molecules, they must be due to the arbitrary orientation of axes.
  • Another participant proposes that the electron distribution in triple bonds may be nearly isotropic around the bond axis.
  • One participant introduces the idea that even double bonds could be rotationally symmetric, citing singlet oxygen as an example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability of triple bonds to rotate freely and their symmetry properties. No consensus is reached regarding the nature of rotation in these bonds.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about molecular geometry and electron distribution, which may not be universally applicable. The implications of symmetry breaking in non-linear molecules are also mentioned but not resolved.

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I read in several websites that triple bonds cannot rotate freely.
However, I've also read in the book "Chemical Principles" the following lines: "Various types of evidence suggest that the electron density around the two C-O bonds in CO2 is actually cylindrically symmetric—that is, the electron density is homogeneous all around the O-C-O molecular axis."
That intrigues me. Now I don't see any problems preventing the two C-O bonds to rotate like single bonds.
Additionally, since the way CO2 bonds is quite similar to triple bond, will triple bond be cylindrically symmetric too? Can triple bond rotate like single bond?
Btw, how can people know whether linear configurations like triple bond or CO2 can rotate around the bond?
Thanks very much.
 
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khanhhung2512 said:
I read in several websites that triple bonds cannot rotate freely.

That's kind of nonsense, as, at least with linear molecules like N2 or HCCH there is no way to decide whether it has rotated or not.
There are many metal compounds with triple bonds which aren't linear molecules, e.g. dimolybdenum compounds, see:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Multiple_Bonds_Between_Metal_Atoms.html?id=rYqKC74r_rIC
In these compounds, rotation around the axis should be observable and isomerisation energies be measurable.
 
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DrDu said:
That's kind of nonsense, as, at least with linear molecules like N2 or HCCH there is no way to decide whether it has rotated or not.
There are many metal compounds with triple bonds which aren't linear molecules, e.g. dimolybdenum compounds, see:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Multiple_Bonds_Between_Metal_Atoms.html?id=rYqKC74r_rIC
In these compounds, rotation around the axis should be observable and isomerisation energies be measurable.
Thanks.

khanhhung2512 said:
Additionally, since the way CO2 bonds is quite similar to triple bond, will triple bond be cylindrically symmetric too?
There's still one part in my questions. Is triple bond cylindrically symmetric?
 
khanhhung2512 said:
There's still one part in my questions. Is triple bond cylindrically symmetric?
In a linear molecule, it has to be, since if you take the bond axis to be z, you still have an arbitrary choice as to where x and y point. In other cases, there might be some symmetry breaking, but I suspect that the electrons participating in the triple bond will be nearly isotropically distributed around the bond axis.
 
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In this context it is maybe interesting, that even a double bond may be rotationally symmetric, e.g. like the one in ##\mathrm{^1\Delta}## singlet oxygen.
 
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