Rotation of Rod Homework: Max Angle, Motion Analysis

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The problem involves a uniform thin rod with a mass and length that is pivoted and can swing freely after being struck by a bullet. The discussion centers around calculating the maximum angle the rod can reach post-collision and analyzing the motion of the system, which consists of the rod and the bullet.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation laws, particularly energy and momentum, in the context of a perfectly inelastic collision. There is an exploration of how to describe the motion of the combined system after the collision, with references to simple harmonic motion (SHM) and the need to calculate moments of inertia.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions about energy conservation during the collision, and clarifying the implications of the bullet becoming part of the rod. There is a recognition of the transition of the system into a pendulum-like motion, but uncertainty remains about the detailed description of this motion.

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There is an emphasis on the inelastic nature of the collision and the implications for energy conservation. Participants are also considering the need for detailed calculations related to moments of inertia and the dynamics of the resulting motion.

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Homework Statement


A uniform thin rod with mass M and length L nailed by frictionless pivot can swing freely on the wall as shown in Fig. The pivot locates at the distance L/4 from the bottom and stops inside. The velocity of the bullet before hitting the rod is v. (a) Compute the max. angle that the rod can reach after the shot. (b) If the swinging angle is small, describe the motion of the whole system (rod+bullet) in detail.

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the conservation of energy and concept of mass center.
The result of (a) is [itex]cos\theta = \frac{2mv^2-(M+2m)gL}{L(1+\frac{m}M)}[/itex].
I don't really understand how to get (b).
 
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hi rbwang1225! :smile:
rbwang1225 said:
I used the conservation of energy …

nooo :redface:

energy is never conserved in a collision unless the question says so :wink:

in this case, energy is obviously not conserved, since the bullet becomes part of the rod, and the collision is perfectly inelastic

however, momentum or angular momentum is always conserved in a collision :smile:

(for b, the system becomes a pendulum, with shm)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi rbwang1225! :smile:


nooo :redface:

energy is never conserved in a collision unless the question says so :wink:

in this case, energy is obviously not conserved, since the bullet becomes part of the rod, and the collision is perfectly inelastic

however, momentum or angular momentum is always conserved in a collision :smile:

(for b, the system becomes a pendulum, with shm)
Oh...right! I forgot the reason why the bullet stuck in the rod!
Now that means I have to calculate the moments of the inertia...
I know it would be a SHM but how do I describe "in detail"?
Thanks a lot!
 
rbwang1225 said:
I know it would be a SHM but how do I describe "in detail"?

τ = Iα :wink:
 

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