Rotational kinetic energy of a bike wheel

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The problem involves calculating the fraction of the total kinetic energy of a bicycle that is attributed to the rotational kinetic energy of its wheels. The bicycle's specifications include wheel radius, rotational inertia, and total mass, which are provided to explore the relationship between translational and rotational kinetic energy.

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  • Participants discuss the application of formulas for translational and rotational kinetic energy, questioning the assumptions regarding the axis of rotation and the contribution of multiple wheels to the total energy.

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Some participants have provided hints and clarifications regarding the calculations, particularly emphasizing the need to account for both wheels in the total kinetic energy. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the formulas and whether to double certain values in the calculations.

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Participants express confusion regarding the treatment of velocities and the implications of the number of wheels on the calculations. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in deriving the correct relationships between the different forms of kinetic energy.

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Homework Statement



A bicycle has wheels of radius 0.29 m. Each wheel has a rotational inertia of 0.091 kg·m^2 about its axle. The total mass of the bicycle including the wheels and the rider is 79 kg. When coasting at constant speed, what fraction of the total kinetic energy of the bicycle (including rider) is the rotational kinetic energy of the wheels?


Homework Equations



translational KE = 1/2 mv^2

rotational KE = 1/2 I (omega)^2 = 1/2 I (v/r)^2

rotational KE / total KE

= (I/r^2) / (I/r^2 + m)

The Attempt at a Solution



Moment of inertia (I) is given: 0.091 kg·m^2

Radius of the wheel is .29 meters

Mass is 79kg

so:

rotational KE / total KE

= (I/r^2) / (I/r^2 + m)

=(0.091kg·m^2/0.29^2m) / (0.091kg·m^2/0.29^2m + 79kg)
=.0135 which is not the right answer.

Anyone know where I messed up?
 
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Your formula is true when the axis of rotation passes through CM. In this case it is not true.
Using moment of inertia and radius of the wheel and total mass, find the mass of the wheel(Mw) and the rest of the mass (Mr)
Now the total energy = 1/2*(Mr)*v^2 + 2x[1/2{(Mw)*(r^2)/2}(v/r)^2 + 1/2(Mw)*v^2]
 
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Thanks for your reply. I tried to get the velocities (v) to cancel algebraically but I could not. I think it is beyond my ability to derive a speed. Any hints on how to handle to velocity?
 
The answer is a lot simpler than that. There are two wheels.
 
Dick said:
The answer is a lot simpler than that. There are two wheels.

I am intrigued. Are you implying that the answer could be something such simple as .5 or 1.2?
 
Not with an odd number for the rotational inertia. But it's still pretty simple. In your original calculation you only put in the kinetic energy for one wheel. Double it.
 
Thanks for your help.

I am a bit confused. Would I double the answer or would I double just rotational or total kinetic energy?

= 2((I/r^2) / (I/r^2 + m))
or
= (I/r^2) / 2(I/r^2 + m)

I am not sure what to do.
 
Think. You did it correctly for a monocycle. Linear KE doesn't change. Just rotational.
 
Thanks for your help. That gave me just enough information to finally figure that one out.
 
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I strive to give "just enough", which means you figured it out on your own. You're welcome.
 

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