Rotational Kinetic Energy of disc brakes

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the reduction in rotational kinetic energy when replacing iron disc brakes with carbon fiber disc brakes in a high-performance car. The problem involves understanding the implications of mass differences on rotational and translational kinetic energy at a specific speed.

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  • Participants explore the equations for rotational kinetic energy and question the calculations leading to different energy values. There is an examination of the terms included in the energy calculations and the impact of mass on the results.

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Participants are actively discussing the calculations and have identified discrepancies in the results. Some have provided corrections and clarifications regarding the terms used in the equations, while others are verifying their calculations. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to understand the problem better.

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There is a focus on the specific conditions of the problem, including the mass of the discs and the speed of the car. Participants are also addressing the need to distinguish between rotational and total kinetic energy in their calculations.

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The disc brakes of a high performance car are often made of carbon fiber instead of iron, thereby reducing the mass. If both types of discs are of the same size and shape, and each iron disc has a mass of 4 kg and each carbon disc has a mass of 1 kg, what is the reduction in rotational kinetic energy at 72 km/h if all the four iron discs in the car are replaced with carbon discs?

M1 = 4 kg
M2 = 1 kg
v = 72 km / h = 20 m / s
I = (1/2)MR2
K = (1/2)Iω2 + (1/2)Mv2
ω = v / R
ΔK = KFe - Kcf

My equation:
4[.5(.5M1R2)(v2 / R2) + .5M1v2] - 4[.5(.5M2R2)(v2 / R2) + .5M2v2]

The R's should cancel and and from that point on it's just plug and chug. Hoever I get 3600 J as the difference in KE. What's wrong with it?

[Edit] The answer is 1200 J by the way. That's why I don't like the 3600 J. [Edit]
 
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The question asks for the reduction in rotational energy.
You found the reduction in (rotational + translational) energy (correctly).
 
So then if my equation is really:

4[.5(.5M1R2)(v2 / R2)] - 4[.5(.5M2R2)(v2 / R2)]

I get 600 J as the difference, which is another 600 J short of the answer.
 
The expression looks good! I put in 4 for M1, 1 for M2and it worked out to 3v².
v = 72000/3600 = 20 and it evaluated to 1200 J.
Did you lose the minus sign on the 2nd term?
 
What I put in my TI-84:

4(.5(.5*4*200) - .5(.5*1*200))
 
Never mind. I see what I'm doing. I'm putting the v2 in parentheses with the .5M1R2. Thanks. I appreciate the help.
 
Easier to do that calc in your head than with the calculator! And no problems with brackets. Most welcome.
 

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