Rotational motion pendulum problem

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The discussion revolves around a rotational motion problem involving a pendulum, focusing on the forces acting on the pendulum and the relationship between tension, gravitational force, and radial components. Participants are attempting to analyze the problem using equations of motion and trigonometric relationships.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss breaking the problem into x and y components, with some attempting to express the radius in terms of the string length and angle. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of forces and the relationships between variables.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between tension, gravitational force, and the radial component of the pendulum's motion. Some participants have offered guidance on expressing the radius in terms of known quantities, while others are clarifying misunderstandings about the forces involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the methods they can use. There is a noted confusion regarding the application of forces in different directions and the correct setup of equations.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


ƩF = ma


The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to break this problem up into the x and y direction

Y Direction:
Ft cosθ - Fg = 0

X Direction:
Ft sinθ - Fg = mv2 / r

The hint says to find the inward radial component. I'm guessing this means to find r, because I think that is the only thing missing for me to solve this. To find r I think I would use some combination of the length of the string and theta, but don't exactly know.

Thanks for any help!
 
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The "inward radial component of the string's tension" is just the horizontal component of the the tension force (i.e., what you called the X component of Ft).

You've got -Fg acting in both the Y-direction and X-direction?

You should be able to express r in terms of d and theta using trig on an appropriate right triangle.

You'll have two unknowns, Ft and v. But you'll also have two equations. Try eliminating Ft and solving for v.
 
When it was talking about the vertical and inward radial components, it was talking about finding Fty and Ftx, which is what you have already done. You know r because you know d and θ. Just solve the two equations for v, and you're all set.
 
There is no -Fg in the x direction, silly me.
r = Ft sinθ?

Y Direction:
Ft cosθ - Fg = 0
Ft = Fg / cosθ ??

X Direction:
Ft sinθ = mv2 / r
(Fg / cosθ)sinθ = mv2 / (Fg / cosθ)sinθ

? lol I am so confused
 
joe426 said:
There is no -Fg in the x direction, silly me.
r = Ft sinθ?
Get an expression for r in terms of d and theta, not in terms of Ft and theta. Consider the right triangle where the string is the hypotenuse and the radius r is the side opposite theta.
Y Direction:
Ft cosθ - Fg = 0
Ft = Fg / cosθ ??
yes
X Direction:
Ft sinθ = mv2 / r
(Fg / cosθ)sinθ = mv2 / (Fg / cosθ)sinθ

For r, use the expression derived from the right triangle mentioned above.
 
TSny said:
Get an expression for r in terms of d and theta, not in terms of Ft and theta. Consider the right triangle where the string is the hypotenuse and the radius r is the side opposite theta.

yes


For r, use the expression derived from the right triangle mentioned above.

Ohhh. r = dsinθ. Whick makes...

((mg / cosθ)sinθdsinθ) / m = v2

Then I would just take the square root of both sides.

Thanks for all the help again guys!
 

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