Rubber ball colliding with steel ball of equal mass

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The discussion revolves around a collision between a rubber ball and a steel ball of equal mass, both traveling towards each other with equal speed. The primary question is which ball, if either, receives a larger impulse during the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the intuitive idea that the rubber ball, being more "bouncy," might experience a larger change in momentum and thus a larger impulse. However, they also consider the principle that the momentum change should be the same for both balls, leading to equal impulse forces. Questions arise about how this reasoning might change if the speeds of the balls were different.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of impulse and momentum, with some suggesting that the reasoning about equal impulse holds true regardless of the initial speeds. There is recognition of the role of Newton's 3rd Law in the analysis, and the discussion is exploring the implications of changing conditions in the scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of different initial speeds on the outcome of the collision, while maintaining that the force exerted during the collision remains consistent in magnitude and duration.

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Homework Statement


Suppose a rubber ball collides head-on with a steel ball of equal mass traveling in the opposite direction with equal speed. Which ball, if either, receives the larger impulse? Explain.


Homework Equations


p = m*v
impulse force = change in p

The Attempt at a Solution



(1) At first I intuitively thought that since the rubber ball is more "bouncy" than the steel ball, it'll likely bounce off after the collision and travel in the opposite direction at a greater speed than the steel ball will. So I thought that the rubber ball will have larger change in momentum, and thus will exert more impulse, meaning the steel ball will receive the larger impulse.

(2) But then, I began thinking that my intuition may not be correct. The momentum change must be the same for both balls regardless of whether they're steel or rubber, meaning the impulse force must be equal...also, impulse is nothing more than the integral of the force exerted during some time interval. The balls collide for the exact same time interval, and the force exerted by the balls on each other is also the same.

Is answer (2) correct? If so, would the answer remain the same if the question were changed to the following: "Suppose a rubber ball collides head-on with a steel ball of equal mass traveling in the opposite direction with **DIFFERENT** speeds."

Thanks a lot.
 
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goraemon said:

Homework Statement


Suppose a rubber ball collides head-on with a steel ball of equal mass traveling in the opposite direction with equal speed. Which ball, if either, receives the larger impulse? Explain.


Homework Equations


p = m*v
impulse force = change in p

The Attempt at a Solution



(1) At first I intuitively thought that since the rubber ball is more "bouncy" than the steel ball, it'll likely bounce off after the collision and travel in the opposite direction at a greater speed than the steel ball will. So I thought that the rubber ball will have larger change in momentum, and thus will exert more impulse, meaning the steel ball will receive the larger impulse.

(2) But then, I began thinking that my intuition may not be correct. The momentum change must be the same for both balls regardless of whether they're steel or rubber, meaning the impulse force must be equal...also, impulse is nothing more than the integral of the force exerted during some time interval. The balls collide for the exact same time interval, and the force exerted by the balls on each other is also the same.

Is answer (2) correct? If so, would the answer remain the same if the question were changed to the following: "Suppose a rubber ball collides head-on with a steel ball of equal mass traveling in the opposite direction with **DIFFERENT** speeds."

Thanks a lot.
The second version is a very good analysis, especially the use of Newton's 3rd Law.


For the second scenario, ... how would your previous answer have to be modified? -- if at all ?
 
SammyS said:
The second version is a very good analysis, especially the use of Newton's 3rd Law.


For the second scenario, ... how would your previous answer have to be modified? -- if at all ?

Thank you for your response SammyS. My guess is that the answer should not change for the second scenario (where the balls' initial speeds are different), since the force exerted by the balls on each other should be the same in magnitude regardless of whether their initial speeds are the same or different...and the time interval of the force should also remain the same...is this reasoning correct or am I off base?
 
goraemon said:
Thank you for your response SammyS. My guess is that the answer should not change for the second scenario (where the balls' initial speeds are different), since the force exerted by the balls on each other should be the same in magnitude regardless of whether their initial speeds are the same or different...and the time interval of the force should also remain the same...is this reasoning correct or am I off base?

You are correct with that answer !
 

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