Which Force is Represented by the Gradient of the Ball-Wall Collision Graph?

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The problem involves a rubber ball colliding with a vertical wall, with a focus on interpreting a momentum vs. time graph that illustrates the ball's momentum during the collision. Participants are discussing the relationship between the gradient of the graph and the forces involved in the collision.

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  • Participants explore the interpretation of the gradient of the momentum vs. time graph, questioning whether it represents the force exerted by the wall on the ball or vice versa. There are discussions about the sign of the momentum and its implications for understanding the forces at play.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing reasoning based on Newton's second law and the definitions of force and momentum. Some participants are clarifying the implications of the gradient's sign and its relation to the forces involved, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the direction of momentum.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and relationships between momentum and force, as well as the implications of the graph's gradient. Participants are navigating potential ambiguities in the problem setup and the interpretation of the graph.

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Problem goes: A rubber ball, traveling in a horizontal direction, strikes a vertical wall. It rebounds at right angles to the wall. The graph below illustrates the variation of the ball’s momentum p with time t when the ball is in contact with the wall.
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Which of the following statements is true?

A) The shaded area is equal to the force exerted by the wall on the ball.
B) The shaded area is equal to the force exerted by the ball on the wall.
C) The gradient is equal to the force exerted by the wall on the ball.
D) The gradient is equal to the force exerted by the ball on the wall.

The right answer is C. I understand how the gradient in any momentum vs time graph is the force, but I don’t understand why it’s by the wall on the ball instead of the ball on the wall.
 

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Is the ball's momentum positive or negative, when touching the wall at the first time (at ##t=0## in the graph)?
 
The gradient is negative, i.e. away from the wall (the ball's initial momentum is positive, i.e. towards the wall). If it was ball on wall, the gradient would be the same but with opposite sign, i.e. positive. More generally, the force acting on on an object is equal to the rate of change of momentum of the object. So in any graph like that (momentum of an object vs. time), the gradient of the line is the force acting on the object.
 
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The most straightforward reasoning is to go to Newton's second law, dp/dt = F, where F by definition is the force on the body. Hence, the derivative of the momentum of the ball is equal to the total force acting on the ball, which in this case is provided by the wall.
 

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