Rutherford Scattering: Inverse Relationship Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the inverse relationship between target-to-detector distance and scattering angle in the context of Rutherford scattering. Participants explore the suitability of alpha particles compared to beta particles for this experiment, touching on aspects of scattering, penetrating power, and energy considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the inverse relationship between target-to-detector distance and scattering angle.
  • Another participant explains that the subtended solid angle varies inversely with the square of the target-to-detector distance, while the differential cross section is independent of this distance.
  • Questions arise regarding the suitability of alpha particles over beta particles, with one participant noting that beta particles are easily deflected by electrons, while alpha particles interact primarily with heavy nuclei.
  • It is mentioned that alpha emitters provide fixed energy particles, unlike beta emitters, which share decay energy with anti-neutrinos.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the distance of closest approach and the kinetic energy of the incident particles, highlighting that alpha particles have higher kinetic energies than beta particles.
  • One participant considers the penetrating power of beta particles, suggesting that their lower mass may affect their ability to pass through atoms.
  • Another participant provides a formula relating penetrating power to mass, velocity, and charge, emphasizing the advantages of alpha particles in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the reasons for the preference of alpha particles over beta particles, with some agreeing on the factors of mass and energy while others explore different aspects of scattering and interaction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific concepts such as impact parameter and distance of closest approach, indicating a reliance on definitions and theoretical frameworks that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Can anyone explain why there is an inverse relationship between target to detector distance and scattering angle?

Thanks.
 
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If the detector has a fixed size, then the subtended solid angle varies inversely as target-to-detector-distance squared. But dσ/dΩ is the differential cross section per sterad, and is independent of target-to-detector distance. Is this what you mean?

Bob S
 
hii.. i would like to know why alpha particles are more suited for this experiment than beta particles?

thxx :)
 
adil0311 said:
hii.. i would like to know why alpha particles are more suited for this experiment than beta particles?
Beta particles are very easily deflected (scattered) by electrons in the target, while the alpha particles are deflected only by the heavy nuclei. Furthermore, there are no radioactive sources that emit betas with fixed energy (because the decay energy is shared with anti-neutrinos), while radioactive alpha emitters emit fixed energy alphas.

Furthermore, the distance of closest approach of a charged particle to the nucleus is inversely proportional to the kinetic energy of the incident charged particle, and the kinetic energies of alpha particles from radioactive sources are ~ 3 or 4 times the energies of beta sources. See

http://ads.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/bbrowse?book=hsaa&page=312

Look up impact parameter and distance of closest approach in

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/rutsca2.html

Bob S
 
Hi.. thanks loads for your reply.. much clearer now.

I was also thinking in terms of penetrating power of the beta particle since it is much less massive than the alpha particle. It could be that beta particle will not pass through the atom so easily. Does that make any sense?
PS: I am only an A level student.. my scientific language is not so much developed yet. lol.

Thanks again
Adil
 
adil0311 said:
I was also thinking in terms of penetrating power of the beta particle since it is much less massive than the alpha particle. It could be that beta particle will not pass through the atom so easily. Does that make any sense?
The penetrating power of a charged particle is proportional to ½Mv2/Zz where ½Mv2 is the projectile kinetic energy (in MeV) and Zz are the charges of the target and projectile. The kinetic energy of alpha particles is several times larger than betas, and the alpha particle z is twice the beta z. There is also an effect due to the sign of the projectile charge.

Use online software for alpha scattering in http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/rutsca2.html

At much higher energies (over 100 MeV), electrons have proven to be very effective in mapping nuclear sizes.

Bob S
 
that was great! Thanks a lot!:)
 

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