Sailboat on a Flat Lake: Fan On - What Happens?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of a sailboat on a flat lake with an electric fan positioned behind the sail. Participants explore whether the boat would move forwards, backwards, or remain stationary when the fan is activated, touching on concepts of momentum and airflow dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the sail is large enough to capture and deflect the airflow effectively, the boat could move forwards due to the net momentum exerted on the sail reversing the flow.
  • Another participant emphasizes that if the sail is too small, the boat would move backwards, indicating a range of outcomes based on the size of the sail.
  • A different perspective proposes that with a sufficiently large sail reflecting most of the air stream, more air would exit the circle around the boat than enter, resulting in forward movement.
  • Participants reference videos demonstrating similar concepts, including a model and full-scale tests related to the scenario.
  • One participant draws a parallel to thrust reversers on aircraft, noting how thrust can be redirected to push an aircraft backwards, suggesting a potential analogy to the sailboat scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the effects of the fan and sail size on the boat's movement.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the effectiveness of the sail in capturing airflow and the conditions under which the boat might move in different directions. The outcomes are dependent on the specific design and size of the sail relative to the fan's output.

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Here's a random question from the depths of my brain. :)

Say that there's a sailboat on a flat, empty lake. Now imagine that on the boat, behind the sail there's a big electric fan.
If the fan were to be switched on(blowing towards the sail), would the boat move forwards, backwards, or remain stationary?
Thanks in advance :)
 
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This has been tested with models (even on myth busters). If the sail is large enough and able to capture and deflect / reflect the flow so that the net flow from the sail boat is backwards, then the sail boat will travel forwards. The sail needs to be large enough so that not too much of the deflected flow is drawn back into the intake flow going into the fan. Given this, then the intake flow accelerates from zero speed, but the deflected flow changes directions, so there's more net momentum exerted on the sail reversing the flow than the momentum exerted by the fan that intakes the flow. If the sail is too small, the boat moves backwards, and somewhere between too small and large enough to move forward, the boat doesn't move.
 
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Draw a big circle around the boat, sail, and fan.
With a big enough sail that reflects most of the air stream, more air will be flowing back out of the circle than forward. Therefore, the boat will move forward.
 
Model at 2:15 into this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJz-BVXCI4

Full scale at 0:50 into this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXMTzMQWjo
 
Thanks very much, especially for the videos.
I can sleep easy now :)
 
The Mythbusters video reminded me of how thrust reversers are used on aircraft. Although the jet engines can only produce thrust in one direction, that thrust can be redirected forward and at least some aircraft such as the C17 can actually be pushed backwards by the jet engines such as in this video: (starts about 1:00 in)

 
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