Sales vs. Design....Ohm's Law vs. Power

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Ohm's Law and the Power equation in the context of designing heaters for specific voltages and wattages. Participants explore the effects of operating heaters at lower voltages and the resulting current and power characteristics, addressing both theoretical and practical considerations in electrical design.

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  • One participant notes that while sales representatives claim heaters can operate at lower voltages without damage, this may conflict with the power equation, which suggests higher amperage at lower voltages.
  • Another participant asserts that at fixed resistance, lower voltage results in lower current and power, indicating that the power equation does not apply if power is not constant.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes safety, stating that with fixed resistance, power decreases with voltage, which is safe but may lead to underperformance.
  • One participant argues that while resistance is fixed, it may decrease slightly when the heater is cooler, affecting current but not enough to reach the original amperage at rated conditions.
  • Another participant clarifies that misunderstanding arises from the assumption that power is constant, emphasizing that resistance and supply voltage dictate the resulting power rather than starting with power to derive other values.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of operating heaters at lower voltages, with some asserting that it is safe while others raise concerns about performance and power calculations. No consensus is reached on which equation should be prioritized in design considerations.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between voltage, current, resistance, and power, indicating that assumptions about constant power or resistance may lead to misunderstandings. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of how these principles apply in practical scenarios.

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We manufacture heaters. Simple heaters that are designed for a specific voltage, for a specific wattage, thus a fixed resistance and the corresponding amperage. However, sales guys preach that it is OK to hook up the heater to a lower voltage without damaging it. They claim the voltage is lower thus the amperage is lower so although the heater will not function optimally, it will not be damaged.

My head says that is correct for Ohm's law but if you look at the Power equation the amperage would be more at the lower voltage thus a problem. Our design uses the power equation when building the heater circuit thus the higher wattage produces the lower amperage. But when designing dual circuit heaters we always design to the higher voltage which does not jive with the power equation but makes sense for Ohm's Law.

I see a fixed resistance, although producing heat, the resistance is what it is.I have two groups of people living under two separate equations and I am looking for clarity on which one I should follow for our product.
 
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At fixed resistance, lower voltage means lower current and lower power. The power equation doesn't apply because the power isn't constant.
 
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Safety before power.

With a fixed resistance the power will drop with voltage. That's safe, but potentially a little cool.

Power = Voltage times Current. (P=VI) Since we know from Ohm's law that I=V/R; P=VV/R or

P = V2/R

So both equations are correct. But the power level is only for the rated voltage.
 
bramdam said:
They claim the voltage is lower thus the amperage is lower so although the heater will not function optimally, it will not be damaged.

They are correct, although the resistance is also "a bit" lower since the wire is cooler.

bramdam said:
I see a fixed resistance, although producing heat, the resistance is what it is.

As I said above, the resistance is "a bit" less when the element is cooler.

But, realize the resistance does not become low enough to get to the original "hot" amperage because that amperage would produce the same temperature as it did initially.

You need to think of the power equation as simply expressing what current you would need at a particular voltage to dissipate a certain power.

Ohm's law rules the day,
in that it tells you the relationship between the voltage and current for a fixed resistance.
 
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I think part of this misunderstanding is that people think the device will always use the same POWER, as if the POWER is constant. -- but that is not the case. The devices resistance is ( essentially) constant in this case, and the voltage of supply is constant - those two parameters define all of that then happens. The POWER equation is the resulting power ... we do not start wiht power and back calculate the other values.
 

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