Satellite relay system and transmission losses

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The discussion revolves around the calculations involved in a satellite relay system, specifically focusing on the gain calculations and transmission losses as presented in a solution manual. Participants are examining the implications of varying input power levels and uplink frequencies on the gain of the amplifier.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the calculation of g_{amp} in the provided solution, suggesting that the treatment of transmission loss may be incorrect.
  • Another participant identifies a potential typo in the example calculation, asserting that the result should be -89.1 dBW instead of -144.1 dBW.
  • A different participant raises a question about a specific multiplication factor (6) in a solution found on Chegg.com, expressing uncertainty about its origin and relevance.
  • One participant proposes that the factor of 6 could relate to the specific characteristics of the antenna used in the Chegg solution, suggesting that it may account for less than unity efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and assumptions regarding g_{amp} and the multiplication factor in the antenna gain calculation. No consensus is reached on these points, and multiple competing interpretations remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in the assumptions made regarding antenna efficiency and the treatment of transmission losses, which may affect the calculations presented.

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Hello.
Below I have a problem I can't quite understand to the full:

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http://www.israup.net/images/027d25c3acde86a09bcb9e1ed869560a.png

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And that is the suggested solution:

http://www.israup.net/images/955a5be90466defb399d78c7693c8e2f.png

Now my question is about that g_{amp} calculation in the solution provided in the solution manual for the book I'm solving from.
If P_{in}=35 dBW and not 30 dBW as it is in the example, and also uplink frequency value changes from the example provided to the question, then how g_{amp}=18+144=162 dBW? Shouldn't it be g_{amp}=18-103=-85 dBW? -103dBW should reasonably be substracted (and not like 144 being added) since it stands for transmission loss, isn't it?
But the in Psat (out) it seems like they do compensate for it because they do add 162dB...

I have a strong feeling that I miss something here in the idea behind g_{amp}. Could it gain the whole uplink loss in some way? I'm quite curious about that really... :rolleyes:

Thanks.
 
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The big typo in example 3.3-1 is the statement: 35dBW + 55dB - 199.1dB + 20 dB = -144.1dBW.

The result should be -89.1dBW.

The idea behind gamp is that it is variable (within some practical limits) and is whatever it needs to be to produce 18dBW (input to the downlink transmitter antenna).
 
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Another question, same subject

Well, first of all thanks for your quick response lewando :approve:
I have another little question:

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I found this solution on Chegg.com:

http://www.israup.net/images/06364d1120e02d09bb453073c3d4fb12.png

Everything is clear to me, apart from that multiplication in 6 when calculating the maximum antenna gain. Why 6?

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Do you suggest there's probably a mistake? Or maybe I misinterpret once more? :shy:

Thanks.
 
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I don't know where that 6 came from. One possibility is that the chegg equation is for a specific antenna. Your working assumption that Ae (the effective aperature) = area is based on unity efficiency of the "antenna area". Perhaps the chegg antenna had less than unity efficiency.
 
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