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The discussion revolves around finding the scalar equation of a plane in 3D Cartesian space, specifically involving position vectors and points. The original poster presents two questions: one concerning a plane defined by points A and B and another involving a plane that passes through a point P and contains a straight line.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the plane equation from given vectors and points, questioning the correctness of their calculations and interpretations of the problem. There is an exploration of the relationship between the plane and the points it contains, as well as the implications of perpendicularity to a vector.

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Some participants have attempted to derive the equations for the planes, while others are questioning the validity of their results and the definitions involved. There is a recognition of potential errors in the calculations, particularly regarding the signs in the equations. Guidance has been offered to check the formulation of the plane equations.

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Participants express uncertainty about the concepts involved, particularly regarding the definitions of planes and their relationships to points and vectors. There is mention of specific points and vectors, but the completeness of the information is questioned.

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Homework Statement


Question 1.
Given position vectors OA : i+2j-k and OB: 2i+j+3k in a 3D Cartesian space with origin O of the points A and B.

a) Find the scalar equation of the plane which contains A and which is perpendicular to vector AB.

b) Find the shortest distance from the point (1,-1,1) to the plane obtained in a (a)

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The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what i did
(a) Equation of line AB
r= (2,1,3)+ t(1,-1,4)

AP.n = 0
OP.n = OA.n
(x,y,z).(1,-1,4) = (2,1,3).(1,-1,4)

x-y+4z = 13 [equation of plane]?

(b) vector form of plane => r.(1,-1,4) = 13
line equation => r= (1,-1,1) + t(1,-1,4)

Using r=r for both equations i get t= 2/9

Substitute t=2/9 into line equation giving me (11/9, -2/9, 17/9)

I'm stuck here then for part (b)
I'm pretty weak in this chapter, couldn't seem to grab the concept here.

Homework Statement


Question 2.
Obtain the scalar equation of the plane which passes through point P(1,2,3) and contain a straight line
x(t)= 3t
y(t)= 1+t
z(t)= 2-t
t is the parameter of the line

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The Attempt at a Solution



Equation of the line= (0,1,2) + t(3,1,-1)

Let Q and R be the points on the line
t=0 Q=(0,1,2)
t=1 R= (3,2,1)

Therefore PQ= (-1,-1,-1) PR= (2,0,2)

PQxPR= (-2,0,-2)

Thus the equation of the plane
a(x-x1) + b(y-y1) + c(z-z1)= 0
-2(x-1) + 0 -2(z-3) = 0
-2x - 2z + 8 = 0
is this correct?
 
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speedycaster said:

Homework Statement


Question 1.
Given position vectors OA : i+2j-k and OB: 2i+j+3k in a 3D Cartesian space with origin O of the points A and B.

a) Find the scalar equation of the plane which contains A and which is perpendicular to vector AB.

b) Find the shortest distance from the point (1,-1,1) to the plane obtained in a (a)


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what i did
(a) Equation of line AB
r= (2,1,3)+ t(1,-1,4)

AP.n = 0
OP.n = OA.n
(x,y,z).(1,-1,4) = (2,1,3).(1,-1,4)

x-y+4z = 13 [equation of plane]?

You will find that (1,2,-1) doesn't work in that equation so the point is not on the plane.
For R = <x,y,z>, the form on the equation of a plane is

[tex](\vec R - \vec A)\cdot \vec N = 0[/tex]

The correct equation for the plane might get you started.
 
so what does it mean when it says the plane contains A?

so is it like this?
[(x,y,z)-(1,2,-1)].(1,-4,4)=0

1(x-1)-4(y-2)+4(z+1)=0

x-4y+4z=11
 
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speedycaster said:
so what does it mean when it says the plane contains A?

so is it like this?
[(x,y,z)-(1,2,-1)].(1,-4,4)=0

1(x-1)-4(y-2)+4(z+1)=0

x-4y+4z=11

Yes, except check the sign on the 11.
 

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