Scale invariance in the power spectrum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of scale invariance in the power spectrum, particularly in relation to inflationary theory and the predictions made by the Harrison-Zeldovich spectrum. Participants explore the implications of scale invariance, the scalar spectral index (##n_s##), and the differences between predictions from inflation models and the Harrison-Zeldovich spectrum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that inflation predicts a nearly scale invariant power spectrum but question whether the Harrison-Zeldovich spectrum predicted a specific value for the scalar spectral index (##n_s##), either 1 or 0.96.
  • It is suggested that inflation does not predict a specific value for ##n_s##, as various inflation models can yield different values, typically less than one.
  • One participant recalls that the Harrison-Zeldovich spectrum assumes scale invariance without a proper physical model, leading to the assumption that it would predict ##n_s = 1##.
  • Another participant confirms that the Harrison-Zeldovich spectrum indeed has ##n = 1##, aligning with the assumption of scale invariance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Harrison-Zeldovich spectrum and its relationship to inflationary predictions. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these predictions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of scale invariance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the lack of a definitive model for the Harrison-Zeldovich spectrum and the dependence on assumptions regarding scale invariance. The varying predictions from different inflation models and the implications for the scalar spectral index are also noted as areas of complexity.

windy miller
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I understand the inflation predicts a nearly scale invariant power spectrum but some have claimed this was predicted before inflation (by Harrison and Zeldovitch?)
My understanding is that perfectly scale invariance would predict ns=1 but inflation predicts ns =.96. So did the prior prediction ( if this claim is true) predict ns=1 or ns=.96 ?
 
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Inflation doesn't predict a specific value of the scalar spectral index (##n_s##). Instead, there are a wide variety of models of inflation and they can all have rather different values for ##n_s##. Inflation predicts a spectral index different from one (usually less) because inflation has to come to an end. The different inflation models end in slightly different ways, leading to different predictions.

From what I recall, the Harrison-Zeldovitch spectrum, which simply assumes scale invariance, wasn't ever a proper physical model of the universe. It more or less just assumes that there are these perturbations, and that they are scale invariant, but doesn't actually have a workable model that would cause that.

So when we got to the point of measuring this spectrum in the early 2000's with the launch of WMAP, the prevailing view was that the most likely result would have been a spectral index somewhat different from one, with ##n_s = 1## considered to be a null hypothesis.
 
Thanks you for that's its very interesting. Would I be correct to assume then the Harrison Zeldovich spectrum would have assume to be exactly one if they were just assuming scale invariance without a model to produce it?
 
windy miller said:
Thanks you for that's its very interesting. Would I be correct to assume then the Harrison Zeldovich spectrum would have assume to be exactly one if they were just assuming scale invariance without a model to produce it?
Yes. The HZ spectrum has n=1.
 

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