Second derivative test for functions of 2 variables

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The discussion revolves around the second derivative test for functions of two variables, specifically analyzing the function f(x,y) = x^4 - y^2 - 2x^2 + 2y - 7. Participants are tasked with classifying the points (0,1) and (-1,1) as local maxima, minima, or saddle points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the Hessian matrix and its components to classify critical points. Questions arise regarding the calculation of derivatives and the necessity of equating certain expressions to zero. There is also exploration of the definition and application of the Hessian in determining the nature of the critical points.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the correct approach to using the Hessian matrix. Some participants are clarifying the steps needed to compute the second derivatives and how to interpret the results for the given points. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the Hessian's eigenvalues.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the concepts, indicating that some are new to the topic. There is a focus on ensuring the correct formulation of the Hessian and its components, as well as the classification of points based on the second derivative test.

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Homework Statement


f(x,y)=x^4 - y^2 - 2x^2 + 2y - 7


Homework Equations


classify points (0,1) and (-1,1) as local maximum, local minimum or inclusive


The Attempt at a Solution



f(x,0)=4x^3 - 0 - 4x + 0 - 0 = 4x^3-4x
f'(x,0)=12x^2-4
f''(x,0)=24x

f(0,y)=0 - 2y - 0 + 2 - 0 = -2y+2
f'(0,y)=-2
f''(0,y)=0

how to find the points as above? as i am stuck.
 
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Why are you fixing x=0 and y=0 when you calculate the derivates? You need to use the Hessian matrix to solve your problem.
 


so i use the 2x2 matrix?
do i equate the 4x^3-4x=0 & -2y+2=0?

sry as i am new just start learning.
 


No worries. Slow down though. Why are you equating anything to zero? Can you tell me what the definition of the Hessian is? If you can, calculate the components and put them into the matrix. After that, tell me how we can use the Hessian to determine whether a point is maximal, minimal, or a saddle?
 


i thought of finding the stationary point.
square matrix of second-order partial derivatives.
fx=4x^3-4x
fy=-2y+2
is this correct?
 


Yep. But now you need fxx fxy and fyy.
 


You can find the stationary points if you want, but I believe they've already been given to you.
 


fxx=12x^2-4
fyy=-2
fyx=0
fxy=0

correct?
 
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Throw a negative sign in front of fyy and that will be correct. Now, how can you determine whether or not (0,1) or (-1,1) are min/max/saddle using the Hessian?
 
  • #10


[12x^2-4 0]
-2 0

do i need to find the eigenvalues?
 
  • #11


0,1 inconclusive -1,1 maximum?
 
  • #12


anyone?
 
  • #13


up!
 
  • #14


Check your matrix again, it should be

\begin{pmatrix} 12x^2 & 0 \\ 0 & -2 \end{pmatrix}

Now you do indeed have to find the eigenvalues of this matrix for each point you want to consider. However, the eigenvalues of diagonal matrices are quite easy...
 
  • #15


so 0,1 maximum -1,1 inconclusive
 

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