Second moments of area Izz and Ixx

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The discussion revolves around calculating the second moments of area (Izz and Ixx) for a vertical column with a specific cross-sectional area under a vertical compressive point load. Participants are addressing the calculations needed for the second moments of area, maximum stresses, and the position of zero stress.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents initial calculations for Ixx and Izz, providing specific numerical values.
  • Another participant suggests the importance of the neutral axis in calculating bending moments.
  • A participant questions whether the bending moment can be calculated from the positions of the centroid and neutral axis.
  • There is a suggestion to take moments about the neutral axis for accurate calculations.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining the bending moment and provides an assumption about the neutral axis location.
  • A question is raised about the necessity of drawing a bending moment diagram for the problem.
  • A formula for calculating the position of zero stress is proposed, involving tensile and compressive stresses.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the calculation of the bending moment or the location of the neutral axis, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions regarding the approach to the problem.

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Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the assumptions regarding the neutral axis and bending moments, which may affect the accuracy of their results.

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Homework Statement



A vertical column has the horizontal cross sectional area shown in the attached image. The column carries a vertical compressive point load of 30kN applied at d. calculate the following:

a) The second central moments of area IZZ and Ixx
b) The maximum values of compressive and tensile stresses
c) The position on the cross section where the stress is zero

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have done part a and got:

Ixx = 5.48E+5
IZZ = 1.75E+5


for part b i know the formulas for compressive stress and tensile stress. However they require a bending moment number. How do i calculate this?

Tensile = Mzc/Ixx
Compressive M(zmax-Zc)Ixx

Compressive stress due to point load F/A

C) I am not sure how to complete this part

Any help would be much appreciated
 

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Hint: Neutral Axis
 
zc = 46.75mm and xc = 22.5mm. Is the bending moment calculated from these?

I have been trying to work out the bending moment for a while now and can't seem to get the answer of 3.97E+5 Nmm
 
Remember, take your moments about the neutral axis.
 
I am also stuck on a very similar question and i don't know how to calculate the moment. I assume the neutral axis was at the centroid of the shape which I would work out to be 46.3 mm. I have been looking for days for help on this and I'm getting nowhere
 
Do you need to draw a bending moments diagram??
 
Bending moment is M= mass x distance between the (load point D - Zc).
 
The position of zero stress (Zo) is basically,

Zo=total tensile stress x total length of z-direction( I beam)/total tensile stress + total compressive stress.
 

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