Second order differential equation

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This question concerns the second-order differential equation dy^2/dx^2 - 4(dy/dx) + 5y = 25x - 3e^2x, with initial conditions y=0 and dy/dx=0 when x=0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the form of the particular solution and the differentiation process. There is confusion regarding the presence of an 'x' in the term pxe^2x, with some questioning why p should not be a constant. Others suggest that the particular solution should not include xe^2x if e^2x is not a solution to the left-hand side of the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the roots of the complementary function and the implications for the particular solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of terms in the particular solution based on the roots of the equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of complex conjugate roots and the conditions under which certain terms should be included in the solution, indicating a need for clarity on the relationship between the roots and the right-hand side of the equation.

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This question concerns the second-order differential equation

dy^2/dx^2 -4(dy/dx) + 5y = 25x - 3e^2x. Find the solution of the differential equation that satisfies the initial conditions y=0 and dy/dx= 0 when x=0.


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Hi Tan Bee Yong! Welcome to PF!

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particular solution = Ax + B + pxe^2x
differential once : A + pe^2x + 2pxe^2x
differential again 2pxe^2x + 2pxe^2x + 4pxe^2x=4pe^2x + 4pxe^2x

substitute the above into the DE. i get:

4pe^2x + 4pxe^2x -4A-4pe^2x - 8pxe^2x + 5Ax + 5B + 5pxe^2x

=-4A + 5Ax + 5B + pxe^2x

by comparing with the right-hand side of DE;

5Ax = 25x
A= 5,

-4A + 5B = 0
B = 4

pxe^2x = -3e^2x
px=-3
p= -3/x (this is the part i don't understant. why is there an x?, i thought p should be a constant)

sori i don't know how to use the button to show ^
 
Yp = Ax + B + pxe2x
Yp' : A + pe^2x + 2pxe2x
Yp'' 2pxe2x + 2pxe2x + 4pxe2x=4pe2x+ 4pxe2x

substitute the above into the DE. i get:

4pe2x + 4pxe2x -4A-4pe2x - 8pxe2x + 5Ax + 5B + 5pxe2x

=-4A + 5Ax + 5B + pxe2x

by comparing with the right-hand side of DE;

5Ax = 25x
A= 5,

-4A + 5B = 0
B = 4

pxe2x = -3e2x
px=-3
p= -3/x (this is the part i don't understant. why is there an x?, i thought p should be a constant)
 
Hi Tan Bee Yong! :smile:

(if you click the "QUOTE" button, that takes you to the Reply page, and there's a row of icons above the reply box :wink:)

Your original RHS was 25 - 3e2x

your particular solution should therefore be Ax + B + Ce2x.

(btw, why use capital A and B and small p? it's not illegal, but I think C is neater! :wink:)

You only need to use xe2x if e2x is a solution to the LHS (which in this case, it isn't!). :smile:
 
LHS has a pair of complex conjugate roots, hence my Yc = e2x(Dcos(x) + Ecos(x))

i thought this is a special case, that's why I use Cxe2x

Did I make a mistake at the complementary function?
 
No, the roots are 2 ± i, that's not the same as 2 ! :wink:

You only need x if the RHS exponent is exactly the same as a LHS root.
 
tiny-tim said:
No, the roots are 2 ± i, that's not the same as 2 ! :wink:

You only need x if the RHS exponent is exactly the same as a LHS root.

Ok .. will give it another try.. thank you so much for helping
 

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