Second Quantization for Fermions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of second quantization for fermions, exploring its definitions, implications, and the transition from wavefunctions to creation and annihilation operators. Participants seek clarification on the foundational aspects of second quantization, its necessity in quantum field theory (QFT), and the role of the Slater determinant in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that second quantization for fermions involves using annihilation and creation operators instead of wavefunctions to express the many-body problem in a Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant emphasizes that second quantization for fermions adheres to anticommutation rules, reflecting the Pauli exclusion principle, which states that two fermions cannot occupy the same state.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the term "second quantization," arguing that it implies a two-step process that is misleading, and explains the transition from wavefunctions to field theory and then to quantization of fields.
  • There is a discussion about the Slater determinant, with one participant questioning its necessity in QFT, as it is typically used to antisymmetrize many-particle wave functions, which may not exist in QFT.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role and necessity of the Slater determinant in QFT and the interpretation of second quantization. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of transitioning from wavefunctions to field operators and the implications of this shift on the understanding of solutions in quantum field theory. The discussion also touches on the limitations of explanations regarding the freedom in state vectors versus solutions.

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Please let me know if I get this right. Second Quantization for Fermions used the definition of its annihilation and creation operators instead of wavefunctions. We use second quantization to express this many body problem in a hamiltonian. Am I right? Can someone please explain this to me in simple terms? How do I start in understanding this second quantization?
 
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Not sure, what you mean.second quantization for fermions do use creation and annihilation operator which satisfy anticommutation rule rather than commutation rule.It is used to bring pauli exclusion principle into account i.e. two fermions can not occupy same state.
 
Second quantization is a somewhat misleading term to me (and many others) because it seems to imply that you do two steps of quantisation, which is not correct.

What happens is this:
In QM, you have a wave function that assigns a prob. amplitude to each point in space (and time). The Dirac equation or Klein-Gordon equation was initially conceived as an equation of a wave function like the Schroedinger equation.

Then people realized that this is not correct (because particle number is not conserved due to creation of particles/antiparticles etc.) and that you need in fact a field theory.
In a field theory, you use the same equation (for example the Klein-Gordon equation), but you now interpret this as the field equation of a classical field. Solutions of this equations look like they did before (when you thought that you were dealing with a prob. amplitude), but now the field has to be interpreted as a classical quantity (for example, the displacement of a membrane as a intuitive example).

In the second step, you then quantise this field, using the standard rules of quantum theory, converting observables to operators. Since the classical field itself is an observable, it becomes a field operator.

What makes things confusing is that you now usually do not deal with wave functions anymore - QFT is usually not phrased that way (laudable exception in the book of Hatfield "QFT of point particles and strings"). If you think in terms of wave functions, what QFT does is to assign a probability amplitude to each possible field configuration. (Since this is not easy to do because of the infinity of possible functions, people prefer other ways of describing QFT.)

The standard way of explaining this quantisation - turning wave functions into creation/annihilation operators - is also confusing for another reason, in my opinion: Before you have a set of possible solutions, with coefficients a and b that can have any possible value. Then you do the second quantisation and these coefficients turn into creation/annihilation operators, which are precisely defined objects. Where did all the possibilities for the solution go?
Answer: The 2nd quantised solution that contains operators has to be applied to a state vector, and the freedom you have is now in the state vector, not in the solution anymore. Unfortunately, this is not always explained.

Hope this helps - if you can read German, you can also look at my blog where I explain many aspects of QFT - see here and look for the QFT series:
http://scienceblogs.de/hier-wohnen-drachen/artikelserien/
 
yeah. Got it! Thanks. but how can we say that the slater determinant is asymmetric?
 

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