Creation operator and Wavefunction relationship

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between second quantized creation/annihilation operators and wavefunctions in quantum mechanics and quantum field theory. Participants explore how to translate single particle wavefunctions into the language of second quantization, examining the implications and potential confusions that arise from this transition.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the expression \(\Psi_k \propto c_k + ac_k^{\dagger}\) can be misleading, as it may not accurately represent a wavefunction but rather an operator.
  • Others argue that \(\Psi(x)\) corresponds to a superposition of \(c_k\) and \(c^{\dagger}_k\), raising questions about the legitimacy of this interpretation.
  • A participant notes that quantum field theory allows for a changing number of particles, complicating the association of wavefunctions with operators.
  • There is a suggestion that one should clearly distinguish between operators and complex-valued wavefunctions to avoid confusion.
  • Another participant sees the use of such expressions as a shorthand that neglects the vacuum state, which may be considered sloppy but understandable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of wavefunctions and operators, indicating that there is no consensus on how to properly relate these concepts within the context of second quantization.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential ambiguity in terminology, the dependence on specific definitions of operators versus wavefunctions, and the unresolved nature of how to accurately translate between these frameworks.

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Hello,

I've noticed that some professors will jump between second quantized creation/annihilation operators and wavefunctions rather easily. For instance \Psi_k \propto c_k + ac_k^{\dagger} with "a" some constant (complex possibly). I'm fairly familiar with the second quantized notation, and from my understanding the concept of wavefunctions is essentially abandoned. The creation/annihilation operators simply add a particle into a state in the number basis. So what would be the way to "translate" some single particle wavefunciton \Psi_k into second quantization, and what would the method/reasoning be?
 
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DeathbyGreen said:
I've noticed that some professors will jump between second quantized creation/annihilation operators and wavefunctions rather easily. For instance \Psi_k \propto c_k + ac_k^{\dagger} with "a" some constant (complex possibly) [...]
We'd have to see the full context that you're quoting. Sometimes a ##\Psi## like that is indeed an operator, not a state.
 
I see what you're saying; in this instance the \Psi(x) is not a field operator, but a single particle wavefunction, like in the case H\Psi = \Psi E. Is it legitimate to say that \Psi(x) corresponds to a superposition of c_k's and c^{\dagger}_k's?
 
... in which case writing ##\Psi_k \propto c_k + ac_k^\dagger## is nonsense (assuming the ##c##'s are a/c operators).

Please give a reference, or post a link, showing the context of what you're trying to ask about.
 
Quantum field theory can be interpreted as many-particle quantum mechanics where the number of particles is allowed to change. But what's a little confusing is the fact that the expressions \psi(\vec{r}) and \psi^\dagger(\vec{r}) don't refer to wave functions, but to operators. There is a "wave function" associated with any state with a definite number of particles, although most treatments of quantum field theory don't talk about wave functions much. But it's definitely not correct to associate a wave function with a linear combination of creation and annihilation operators; a wave function is a complex number, not an operator.
 
Well, that's why one should mark what's an operator and what's a c-number wave function, i.e., ##\hat{\psi}(\vec{r})## (field operator) vs. ##\psi(\vec{r})## (complex-valued function).
 
DeathbyGreen said:
Hello,

I've noticed that some professors will jump between second quantized creation/annihilation operators and wavefunctions rather easily. For instance \Psi_k \propto c_k + ac_k^{\dagger} with "a" some constant (complex possibly). I'm fairly familiar with the second quantized notation, and from my understanding the concept of wavefunctions is essentially abandoned. The creation/annihilation operators simply add a particle into a state in the number basis. So what would be the way to "translate" some single particle wavefunciton \Psi_k into second quantization, and what would the method/reasoning be?
I would see it as a shorthand that omits the vacuum state from the RHS. A bit sloppy but understandable.
 
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