Security clearance worth trying to keep for physics career?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the value of maintaining a security clearance for a career in physics, particularly for those pursuing advanced degrees. Participants explore the implications of having a security clearance in relation to job opportunities in both academic and defense sectors.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of renewing a security clearance if it is not currently being utilized in their work, particularly in the context of pursuing a PhD in physics.
  • Another participant suggests that having a security clearance is generally beneficial, but notes that applicants may need to justify the need for it beyond simply wanting it for appearance.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that applying for internships at agencies like the CIA, NSA, or FBI could help maintain the clearance, although the participant expresses concern about the relevance of such positions to their interests.
  • One participant cites statistics indicating that a significant number of physics PhDs leave the field shortly after graduation, suggesting that any competitive advantage, such as a security clearance, could be valuable in a challenging job market.
  • Another participant emphasizes that having a security clearance can be a major asset for defense-related jobs, as it saves employers time and resources in the hiring process.
  • It is noted that maintaining a security clearance requires a sponsor, and that being a full-time student without a relevant job could lead to expiration of the clearance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the value of maintaining a security clearance, with some arguing it is beneficial for future job prospects, particularly in defense, while others question the necessity if not actively using it. The discussion does not reach a consensus on whether it is worth the effort to keep the clearance.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependency on job sponsorship for maintaining a security clearance, and the potential challenges of justifying the need for it in applications.

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hi,
I am currently a physics major undergraduate and i hold a security clearance from previous work. It expires in 2014 and I wanted to know if it was worth the hassel of trying to get it renewed? keeping in mind that i plan to pursue a phd in physics. getting it renewed won't be easy as i currently don't do any work that uses it. basically how useful is it in the physics world and should I worry about keeping it?
 
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Usually, I would say having one can only help you, but the last time I applied for one, I could've sworn there was a section about why I needed one. I don't think "just because it looks good" would suffice.
 
well i was going to try to keep it open by applying to an internship where it would be needed, think cia, nsa, fbi or something. Even though it woundnt be work i was necessarily interested in. that's why I wanted to know how valuable it is. lucking into an internship at one of those places isn't easy and i didnt want to waste time when i could be doing research.
 
The latest numbers I've seen (in the academic pyramid thread in this forum) suggest that more than 50% of physics phds are forced out of science (by lack of opportunity) immediately after the phd, and that within 5 years, more than 75% of physics phds are totally out of science.

In such a competitive environment, any edge is worth courting.
 
If you end up in defense work, already having a security clearance would be a huge benefit. Given the time and expense of getting one, it is a powerful incentive for an employer to hire someone who comes with a clearance. If you can keep it, it will be useful. At the least, you will have a competitive edge later.
 
to keep your clearance, you need a sponsor, if you are in school full time and not working for someone who requires a clearance, it'll expire
 

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