Seeing Newton's Rings: Why Magnification is Needed

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The discussion revolves around the visibility of Newton's rings and the necessity of magnification for observation. Participants explore the differences in visibility between Newton's rings and interference patterns produced by soap bubbles or oil films, considering factors such as fringe spacing and thickness variations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why Newton's rings cannot be seen with the naked eye, contrasting this with the visibility of interference patterns from soap bubbles and oil films.
  • One participant suggests that the distance between fringes in Newton's rings is too small for comfortable viewing without magnification, while others note that similar patterns can be observed with microscope slides.
  • Another participant explains that the interference effects in soap or oil layers are more complex due to non-monotonous thickness variations, which may limit the number of observable interference orders compared to the structured setup of Newton's rings.
  • There is mention of the possibility to see Newton's rings without a microscope under certain conditions, such as when the spacing between the lens and glass plate does not vary too rapidly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a microscope for observing Newton's rings, with some asserting it is not strictly required while others emphasize the challenges in visibility without magnification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparative visibility of different interference patterns.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the thickness variation in soap or oil layers is not well-defined, which may affect the interference pattern observed. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these variations on visibility.

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why do we can't see Newton's ring through our naked eye?why do we need microscope? but interference pattern due to oil film or soap bubble can be seen through naked eye
 
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Because the distance between fringes is small enough for our eyes to resolve with ease at a typical viewing distance.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Because the distance between fringes is small enough for our eyes to resolve with ease at a typical viewing distance.
so what about fringes formed due to soap bubble and oil layer on water?
 
It's not so easy to model the interference effect in the layer of soap or oil in one's daily encounter. In Newton's ring experiment, the "thin layer" is made out of lens, therefore the thickness varies monotonically as you further form the lens center. This will lead to the formation of many interference orders on the lens surface. On the other hand, thin layer made out of oil or soap varies in thickness in an undefined way, i.e. it's not monotonous. So, you can only expect to see a few orders of interference on the layer's surface. Imagine you can somehow form a bulk material shaped like a lens but made out of oil, since the refractive indices of these materials are on the order of a few units, you should observe that the Newton's rings formed will also be closely separated as it is in the ordinary lens.
 
There is nothing intrinsic to Newton's rings to require a microscope for viewing. See here for example:
You may need a microscope if you want to measure the spacing, for example. It is also possible that the spacing between rings is too small to see comfortably if the spacing between the lens and glass plate varies too fast. But you can arrange to see them with naked eye. Actually you can see a similar pattern between two microscope slides pressed together.

http://www.arborsci.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image-1.php.jpeg
 
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