Seeking of eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a given matrix

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The discussion revolves around the properties of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in relation to elementary row operations on a matrix A. The original poster questions whether eigenvalues and eigenvectors remain invariant under such operations and seeks to prove or disprove this notion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the validity of the original poster's translation of the problem and the implications of row equivalence on eigenvalues and eigenvectors. Some suggest proving the statement systematically, while others consider using counterexamples as a means of resolution.

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There is an active exploration of the topic, with participants debating the effectiveness of counterexamples versus formal proofs. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their reasoning process, while others provide insights into the logic of the problem. No consensus has been reached, but various lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants note the specific wording of the problem regarding elementary matrices, which influences the discussion on whether counterexamples are sufficient. The original poster is also revisiting lecture notes on logic, indicating a focus on the foundational aspects of the argument.

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Homework Statement



in seeking of eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a given matrix A, is it permissible first to simplify A by means of some elementary operation? (that is, are the eigenvalues and eigenvector of A invariant with respect to elementary row operation)? (prove it)

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The Attempt at a Solution



i want to prove it, but before that i want to translated it correctly

F is a field, v is eigenvector, λ is eigenvalue

Given A\inMnxn(F)

if B is row equivalent to A, then there exist unique λ\inF and v such that
Av=λv=Bv

so, is my translation correct?
 
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No, unfortunately eigenvalues are changed by "row operations" and so "simplifying" a matrix that way does not help.
 
yes i know, i got counter example, but i wan to try to prove it systematically,

if B is row equivalent to A, then there exist unique λF and v such that
Av=λv=Bv,

so maybe i can proof by contradiction or something, but is that statement really same as the question?
 
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or i simply just give the counterexample? and done proof?
 
Unless you are explicitly asked for a proof, a counterexample is enough
 
unless it says "for all elementary matrices" then counter example is ok

but it said "for some elementary matrices", right?

now I'm still rereading all my lecture notes on logic, help me if you can, with the logic owhoo,
 
can i do like this

Suppose A=(En...E2E3)B and there exist unique v and λ such that Av=λv and Bv=λv

then, when λ and v is unique then λv is unique which imply Av=Bv,

when v is unique, Av=Bv => A=B !

contradict the fact that A=(En...E2E3)B => A\neqB

Conclusion, If A=(En...E2E3)B then Av\neqλv or Bv\neqλv for all v and λ

i this really correct? i can't tell whether I'm just doing thing to trivial, help T_T
 

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