Seems I can't differentiate properly or I need some help with it.

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the function \(\frac{x}{(4-x^2)^n}\) and verifying a specific derivative expression. Participants are exploring the application of the quotient rule in calculus.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to differentiate the function using the quotient rule, noting discrepancies in their results. Some express confusion over sign errors in the final expressions, while others suggest comparing results from computational tools like Maple and Mathematica.

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The discussion is active, with multiple participants sharing their results and questioning the correctness of the original poster's expression. Some guidance is offered regarding checking specific values to identify errors, and there is an ongoing exploration of simplification techniques.

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Participants mention the need to verify the derivative as part of a larger problem involving integrals, indicating that the context includes both differentiation and integration concepts.

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Homework Statement


Part of a question here...

Show that

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \left[ \frac{x}{(4-x^2)^n} \right ] = \frac{1-2n}{(4-x^2)^n} - \frac{8n}{(4-x^2)^{n+1}}[/tex]


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[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(\frac{u}{v}) = \frac{v\frac{du}{dx}-u\frac{dv}{dx}}{v^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So, using the quotient law I get

[tex]\frac{(4-x^2)^n \times 1 -(x) \times n(4-x^2)^{n-1} \times -2x}{(4-x^2)^{2n}}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{1-2nx^2(4-x^2)^{-1}}{(4-x^2)^n}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{1}{(4-x^2)^n} - \frac{2nx^2}{(4-x^2)^{n+1}}[/tex]

I seem to have the denominators correct but not the numerators. Did I do it wrong or are there more ways to simplify?
 
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I can't get the result either... I get the same as you, only a + instead of a - between the fractions...

EDIT
Maple backs me up... According to maple the result is:
[tex]\frac{1}{(4-x^2)^n} + \frac{2nx^2}{(4-x^2)^{n+1}}[/tex]

And no matter what I do I cannot get it to simplify / expand / factor, whatever, into what you have to show... I don't think they are equal.
 
I checked it with Mathematica, Nick89 is correct. The thread starter is off by a sign but
[tex] \frac{d}{dx} \left[ \frac{x}{(4-x^2)^n} \right ] = \frac{1-2n}{(4-x^2)^n} - \frac{8n}{(4-x^2)^{n+1}}[/tex]
definitely doesn't hold.
 
If you are really feeling unconfident that you might be missing a simplification, try putting say x=0 and n=2 and comparing the results of the two. They are different, so your's in right (once you fix that sign error).
 
Well I guess I should post the entire question:

[tex]I_n =\int _{0} ^{1} \frac{1}{4-x^2}[/tex]

for n=1,2,3,...
Verify that

[tex] \frac{d}{dx} \left[ \frac{x}{(4-x^2)^n} \right ] = \frac{1-2n}{(4-x^2)^n} - \frac{8n}{(4-x^2)^{n+1}}[/tex]

and hence prove that

[tex]8I_{n+1}=(2n-1)I_n +\frac{1}{3^n}[/tex]EDIT: Ahh...-ve*-ve=+ve...Will fix now... but the question being wrong is really odd.
 
Nick89 said:
[tex]\frac{1}{(4-x^2)^n} + \frac{2nx^2}{(4-x^2)^{n+1}}[/tex]

Rockfreak, look at this, and now take the [tex]x^2[/tex] term on the numerator of the second term and put in

[tex]x^2=-(4-x^2)+4[/tex]

and simplify the result.
 
DavidWhitbeck said:
Rockfreak, look at this, and now take the [tex]x^2[/tex] term on the numerator of the second term and put in

[tex]x^2=-(4-x^2)+4[/tex]

and simplify the result.

:frown: I hate questions where you always need to remember that 1-1=0
 
rock.freak667 said:
:frown: I hate questions where you always need to remember that 1-1=0

My students absolutely hated those 1/1=1 and 1-1=0 tricks you use to simplify algebraic expressions! There is reason behind them of course, but if done with no explanation they look like magic.

In this one you know that you want to have 4-x^2 on the top of the 2nd term to split it up into the two types of terms that appear in the answer. So you're like I need to express the numerator [tex]x^2[/tex] in the form [tex]a(4-x^2)+b[/tex] for some numbers a and b to get the expression into the form that I want.
 

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