Separation of variables and the separation constant

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The discussion revolves around the concept of separation of variables in the context of partial differential equations, specifically focusing on the manipulation of separation constants and their implications in equations related to time-dependent functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants explore the transformation of equations involving separation constants, questioning how constants are treated in different contexts. There is also a discussion on the necessity of including specific constants when defining separation constants.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the treatment of constants in equations, with some participants agreeing on the correctness of certain steps while others raise questions about the implications of including or excluding constants. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations regarding the choice of separation constants.

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Participants reference specific equations and steps from external sources, indicating a reliance on those materials for understanding. There is mention of dimensional considerations and preferences in notation, which may influence the discussion.

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Yes, you're right!

Hi Niles! :smile:

Yes, you're right! :smile:

2.5.3 is correct, but the c^2 in the following line should be 1/c^2. :frown:

But it doesn't matter, because the c^2 in 2.5.5 is correct, since it's taken directly from 2.5.3 :smile:

(The line after 2.5.3 was only used to get the sign of k, so it didn't matter whether k was multiplied or divided by c^2.)
 
Hi Tim, thanks for replying. I hope it's OK if I ask another question.

Please take a look at http://cow.physics.wisc.edu/~craigm/toroid/toroid/node4.html

Here, they choose the separation constant to be -omega^2/c^2. What is the deal when finding the separation constant (SC from now on)? In my book they equal the exact same term to -omega^2. Should I include the constant in front of T''/T every time when choosing SC?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely Niles.
 
Niles said:
Here, they choose the separation constant to be -omega^2/c^2. What is the deal when finding the separation constant (SC from now on)? In my book they equal the exact same term to -omega^2. Should I include the constant in front of T''/T every time when choosing SC?

Hi Niles! :smile:

The c^2 has to be in equation (13) because (13) is taken directly from (11).

The c^2 in equations (15) and (18) doesn't have to be there - omega is any constant, so it doesn't matter whether you choose omega or omega/c.

I think he's done it that way for dimensional reasons. I'm inclined to agree with him.

Don't you agree that (16) to (18) look much neater than they would if (18) included c^2? :smile:

(Does your book use c, or does it put c = 1?)
 
tiny-tim said:
Don't you agree that (16) to (18) look much neater than they would if (18) included c^2? :smile:

(Does your book use c, or does it put c = 1?)

I agree - it does look better. So it is always a good thing to include the constant so we end up with a term T''/T = -omega^2?

My book uses c. It is the exact same eq. as in the link.
 

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