Set Theory Homework find ∪i=0Ai and ∩ i=0Ai

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The discussion revolves around set theory, specifically focusing on finding the union and intersection of sets defined for natural numbers. The sets are defined in various ways, including sequences of integers and real numbers within specific intervals.

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  • Participants attempt to define the sets \( A_i \) for different cases and explore how to compute unions and intersections. There are questions about the notation and the correct interpretation of the sets, particularly regarding the elements they contain.

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Some participants have made progress in identifying the elements of the sets for specific cases, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the notation and the concept of unions and intersections. Guidance has been offered to help participants articulate their thoughts and check their work.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the representation of sets, particularly with real numbers and open intervals. Participants are encouraged to refer to their textbooks for definitions and examples related to unions and intersections in set theory.

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Homework Statement



Find ∪i=0Ai (with infinite symbol) and ∩ i=0Ai (with infinite symbol) in each of the cases when for each natural number
i, Ai is defined as:

1. Ai = {i,−i, i + 1,−(i + 1), i + 2,−(i + 2), . . .}
2. Ai = {0, i, 2i}
3. Ai = {x : x is a real number such that i < x < i + 1}
4. Ai = {x : x is a real number strictly between − i and i}.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no clue on this part of set theory
 
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Uiiop said:

Homework Statement



Find ∪i=0Ai (with infinite symbol) and ∩ i=0Ai (with infinite symbol) in each of the cases when for each natural number
i, Ai is defined as:

1. Ai = {i,−i, i + 1,−(i + 1), i + 2,−(i + 2), . . .}
2. Ai = {0, i, 2i}
3. Ai = {x : x is a real number such that i < x < i + 1}
4. Ai = {x : x is a real number strictly between − i and i}.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no clue on this part of set theory

What it is that you're confused about? Do you know how to take a union of two sets? What about three sets? ...

In any case, I'm assuming you need to find \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} for each problem. For these types of problems, just list out A0, A1, ...

Let's look at 1.

A0 = {0,1,-1,2,-2,...} (What is this set?)
A1 = {1,-1,2,-2,...}
.
.
.

What happens if you take the union of these?
 
We help with homework. We don't do it for you.

What do you know about any of this?

What part of this problem do you need help with?

For each part of the problem, ( 1., 2., 3., & 4.) write out the first few Ai. In other words, write out A0, A1, A2, A3, A4, A5.

Check you textbook & notes for what is meant by: \displaystyle \bigcup_{1=0}^\infty \,A_i\,,\ \text{ and }\ \bigcap_{1=0}^\infty \,A_i\,.

Edited to include A0. DUH!
 
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...ok i need to find \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} & the \bigcap_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} for each

i can see that A0 is a set of integers

would the union be?

A0 \bigcup_ A1 = {0,1,-1,2,-2,...}

and the intersection?

A0 \bigcap_ A1 = {1,-1,2,-2,...}

is that it for question one then? lol i don't know if i have even done it
 
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Fix up your latex. For the union, the set is correct, but I have no idea what notation you're using. For taking the intersection, what elements do all sets have in common? Like Sammy suggested, write out A0, A1, A2, A3, ...
 
ok
1)
A0 {0,1,-1,2,-2,...}
A1 {1,-1,2,-2,...}
A2 {-1,2,-2,...}
A4 {2,-2,...}
A5 {-2,...}
think that right probably not...

Would \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} simply be {0,1,-1,2,-2,...} ?
would \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} be {-2,...}?
 
A0 and A1 are correct. A2 is wrong. Look again at the problem and tell me what A2 is. What is A3? A4? etc..
 
A2 {0,1,-1,2,-2,3,...}
a3 {1,-1,2,-2,3...}
a4 {0,1,-1,2,-2,3,-3,...}
a5 {1,-1,2,-2,3,-3,...}
?
 
Do you understand index notation? A2 means you plug in 2 wherever i is. For instance, A1 = {1,-1,1+1,-(1+1),...} = {1,-1,2,-2,...} Knowing this now, what's A2? A3? etc..
 
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as i said clueless ;D
A2 {2,-2,3,-3,4,-4,...}
A3 {3,-3,4,-4,5,-5,...}
A4 {4,-4,5,-5,6,-6,...}
A5 {5,-5,6,-6,7,-7,...}
 
  • #11
Uiiop said:
as i said clueless ;D
A2 {2,-2,3,-3,4,-4,...}
A3 {3,-3,4,-4,5,-5,...}
A4 {4,-4,5,-5,6,-6,...}
A5 {5,-5,6,-6,7,-7,...}

Those are correct now. What's the union and intersection?
 
  • #12
Would \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} simply be {0,1,-1,2,-2,3,-3,4,-4,5,-5,6,-6,7,-7,...} ?

would \bigcap_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} be {\o}?
 
  • #13
for 2) Ai = {0, i, 2i}

A0 {0,0,0}
A1 {0,1,2}
A2 {0,2,4}
A3 {0,3,6}
A4 {0,4,8}
A5 {0,5,10}

Would \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} simply be {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10}

would \bigcap_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} be {0}?
 
  • #14
For #1.
Uiiop said:
Would \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} simply be {0,1,-1,2,-2,3,-3,4,-4,5,-5,6,-6,7,-7,...} ?
Yes.
would \bigcap_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} be {\o}?
If by {\o} you mean the empty set, then yes.

Empty set = {} = \emptyset .
 
  • #15
Uiiop said:
for 2) Ai = {0, i, 2i}

A0 {0,0,0}
A1 {0,1,2}
A2 {0,2,4}
A3 {0,3,6}
A4 {0,4,8}
A5 {0,5,10}

Would \bigcup_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} simply be {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10}
You forgot the "..." .
would \bigcap_{i=0}^{\infty} A_{i} be {0}?
Yes.
 
  • #16
thanks guys i should be ok now no doubt ill be back for help on something else
 
  • #17
...ok now I am stuck on 3) {x : x is a real number such that i < x < i + 1}
how do you list the x?
do you have to declare it?
or do you just leave it as x i think I am barking up the wrong tree but this is what i have got thus far...

a0 = {0,x,1,...}
a1 = {1,x,2,...}
a2 = {2,x,3,...}
a3 = {3,x,4,...}
a4 = {4,x,5,...}
a5 = {5,x,6,...} as i said i don't know what to do with the 'x'

i get that its real numbers and i may have use a different technique problem is i don't know this technique
 
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  • #18
Do you know about open intervals on the number line ?

If 0 < x < 1 , we write that as (0, 1) , etc.
 
  • #19
no i do not...

so would a0 then be {(0, 1),...} etc
then would the union be
{(0,1),(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(4,5),(5,6),...} or {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,...}
i imagine the intersection would be \emptyset whichever way
 
  • #20
Uiiop said:
no i do not...

so would a0 then be {(0, 1),...} etc
then would the union be
{(0,1),(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(4,5),(5,6),...} or {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,...}
Actually, we write this as (0,1)\cup(1,2)\cup(2,3)\cup(3,4)\cup(4,5)\cup(5,6)\dots An alternative way to write this is, { x | x > 0 and x ≠ 1, 2, 3, 4, ...}.
In fact, none of the integers, {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,...} are in the sets A0 , A1 , A1 , ... nor are they in the union of the Ai .

i imagine the intersection would be \emptyset whichever way
Yes, you're right here.
 
  • #21
for 4) {x : x is a real number strictly between − i and i}.

would it be:

a0 {0}
a1 {-1,1}
a2 {-2,2}
a3 {-3,3}
a4 {-4,4}
a5 {-5,5}

union: {0,-1,1,-2,2,-3,3,-4,4,-5,5,...}
intersection: empty set

correct?
 
  • #22
or is it:
{(0)union(-1,1)union(-2,2)union(-3,3)union(-4,4)union(-5,5)...}
 
  • #23
Uiiop said:
or is it:
{(0)union(-1,1)union(-2,2)union(-3,3)union(-4,4)union(-5,5)...}

It's this answer (sort of).

Write (0) as {0}; it's a set. Also each (-1, 1) , (-2, 2), etc., is itself a set .

In fact, (-2, 2) = { x , a real number | -2 < x < 2 }

Here's a graph: [PLAIN]http://www.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/downloadGIF.jsp?podtitle=Number%20line:&podtopright=&podbottom=%7B%20%7D&subpodcount=1&imgloc=/Calculate/MSP/MSP148519g90fga5a3ig3cd000058fi1a99782i1hfg%3FMSPStoreType%3Dimage/gif%26s%3D30%26w%3D310%26h%3D36&rawsubpods=&i=%28-2%2C+2%29&server=http%3A//www4b.wolframalpha.com
 
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