Set Theory: Proving h is Surjective Implies f & g

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The discussion revolves around the properties of functions in set theory, specifically focusing on the implications of a function h being surjective on the surjectivity of functions f and g. The participants are exploring the relationships between these functions and their mappings.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of h being surjective and attempt to establish whether this leads to f and g also being surjective. There is a focus on the reasoning behind these implications, particularly in relation to the definitions of surjectivity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided initial reasoning regarding the surjectivity of g based on h's properties, while others express uncertainty about how to approach the proof for f. There is acknowledgment of the need for further exploration and clarification of the assumptions involved.

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Participants mention a lack of clarity in their understanding and express a desire for additional resources to aid their learning. There is also a reference to the difficulty of the material, which may affect the discussion's progression.

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Homework Statement


Let

f: X ----> Y and g: Y ----> Z

be functions and let

h = g o f: X ----> Z

Homework Equations



a. If h is surjective then g is surjective

b. If h is surjective then f is surjective.

The Attempt at a Solution



Here

h: X ----> Z

a.
Suppose h: x ---> z is surjective for ∈ Z. Since h is surjective ∃a ∈ X such that
h(a) = g(f(a)) = k

Now let y = f(a) ∈ Y so...
g(y) = g(f(a)) = k; as declared QED.

b.
Suppose h: x ---> z is surjective for y...I'm not even sure how to start.

PS: To be honest, I really need to find a good textbook on proofs because my lecturer is outright atrocious. If anyone knows of any texts, do post me some recommendations as well.
 
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BubblesAreUs said:

Homework Statement


Let

f: X ----> Y and g: Y ----> Z

be functions and let

h = g o f: X ----> Z

Homework Equations



a. If h is surjective then g is surjective

b. If h is surjective then f is surjective.

The Attempt at a Solution



Here

h: X ----> Z

a.
Suppose h: x ---> z is surjective for ∈ Z. Since h is surjective ∃a ∈ X such that
h(a) = g(f(a)) = k

Now let y = f(a) ∈ Y so...
g(y) = g(f(a)) = k; as declared QED.

b.
Suppose h: x ---> z is surjective for y...I'm not even sure how to start.

PS: To be honest, I really need to find a good textbook on proofs because my lecturer is outright atrocious. If anyone knows of any texts, do post me some recommendations as well.

Your proof of a) looks quite good. You didn't say what k is, but it's fairly obvious.

Why do you think b) is true?
 
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k is just an integer that belongs to set Z.

As for b, I think f is surjective because h is. Since f is an input of g, I'm not exactly sure how I can re-utilise my proof from part a.
 
BubblesAreUs said:
k is just an integer that belongs to set Z.

As for b, I think f is surjective because h is. Since f is an input of g, I'm not exactly sure how I can re-utilise my proof from part a.

If I can't see how to prove something, I usually try to disprove it and see what happens.
 

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