Setting up differential equation

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The problem involves a tank with a specific capacity containing a mixture of water and salt. Initially, the tank holds 200 gallons of water with 100 pounds of salt. Water with a known salt concentration is entering the tank, while the mixture is also flowing out at a different rate. The goal is to set up a differential equation to determine the amount of salt in the tank over time and to analyze the concentration as the tank approaches overflow.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the differential equation, particularly the rates of flow in and out of the tank. There is confusion regarding the correct formulation of the equation and the interpretation of Q(t) as the amount of salt in the tank. Some participants question the assumptions leading to the simplified equation dQ/dt = 3 - Q(t).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and questioning the validity of the provided answer. There is no explicit consensus, but several participants are exploring the implications of the differing flow rates and their effects on the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the volume of water in the tank changes over time, which complicates the outflow rate calculation. There is also mention of the initial conditions and how they relate to the formulation of the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


A tank with a capacity of 500 gal originally contains 200 gal of water with 100 lb of salt
in solution. Water containing 1 lb of salt per gallon is entering at a rate of 3 gal/min, and
the mixture is allowed to flow out of the tank at a rate of 2 gal/min. Find the amount
of salt in the tank at any time prior to the instant when the solution begins to overflow.
Find the concentration (in pounds per gallon) of salt in the tank when it is on the point of
overflowing. Compare this concentration with the theoretical limiting concentration if the
tank had infinite capacity.

2. The attempt at a solution
I get stuck in the very beginning where you have to set up the differential equation.

dQ/dt = rate of flow in - rate of flow out

rate of flow in = 3gal/min × 1 lb/gal = 3 lb/min

(C = concentration, Q = quantity of salt, V = Volume)
rate of flow out = C r = (Q / V) r
The volume changes; starts at 200 and 3-2=1 gallon per minute extra:
V = 200 + t
And r=2

So: dQ/dt = 3 - (Q / 200+t)2, which I would then have to solve.

But according to my answer book the equation that has to be solved is:
dQ/dt = 3 - Q(t)

Does anyone understand how they get there?
Thanks!
 
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The first sentence gives the initial conditions of the tank. What does Q(t) represent? It's the amount of salt leaving the tank as a function of time and this is not explicitly known because of the mixing that is occurring with differing amounts of salt concentration, whereas the input concentration is explicitly known and is a constant.
 
chrisk said:
The first sentence gives the initial conditions of the tank. What does Q(t) represent? It's the amount of salt leaving the tank as a function of time and this is not explicitly known because of the mixing that is occurring with differing amounts of salt concentration, whereas the input concentration is explicitly known and is a constant.
Yes, I had figured that out... but why would that give you the equation:

dQ/dt = 3 - Q(t) ?
 
I got what you got. Are you sure you're not reading the answer to a different problem? The equation dQ/dt=3-Q is the sort of equation that would result if the inflow and outflow rates are equal.
 
Billy Bob said:
I got what you got. Are you sure you're not reading the answer to a different problem? The equation dQ/dt=3-Q is the sort of equation that would result if the inflow and outflow rates are equal.
That's what I thought as well... I checked and I really am looking at the correct corresponding answer to the problem. It says:

Salt flows into the tank at the rate of (1)(3) lb/min. and
it flows out of the tank at the rate of (2) lb/min. since
the volume of water in the tank at any time t is 200 +
(1)(t) gallons (due to the fact that water flows into the
tank faster than it flows out). Thus the I.V.P. is dQ/dt =
3 - Q(t), Q(0) = 100.

Strange isn't it?

I thought it was me, but if I'm right I'll just skip this one.
 

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