Shear force diagrams simple stuff hey?

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The discussion revolves around the construction of shear force and bending moment diagrams for a loaded beam with a uniformly distributed load (UDL), two pure couples, and two fixed points. Participants seek guidance on how to incorporate these elements into their diagrams and share various methods and resources for understanding the topic better.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help with shear force and bending moment diagrams for a beam with specific loading conditions, indicating a lack of familiarity with the topic.
  • Another participant suggests using the relationship dM(x)/dx = T(x) to construct the shear force diagram and emphasizes the importance of setting up equilibrium equations.
  • A participant inquires about how to include couples in the diagrams, expressing uncertainty about their treatment.
  • Some participants discuss the piecewise function method for graphing the diagrams, with one noting their background from the UK and seeking clarification on terminology.
  • There are requests for resources, such as websites or books, to better understand the diagram construction process.
  • Participants share qualitative sketches of diagrams, with one expressing satisfaction with the visual explanations provided.
  • Several participants engage in calculations related to moments and reactions, with one expressing confusion over their results and seeking assistance in verifying their calculations.
  • Another participant clarifies that they are not assuming a reaction will equal zero but rather setting up equations based on moments around a specific point.
  • A participant mentions that they have completed their coursework related to shear force and bending moment diagrams, indicating a transition away from the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share their methods and approaches, but there is no consensus on the best way to include couples in the diagrams or on the correctness of specific calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the treatment of certain elements in the diagrams.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and methods used, particularly regarding the inclusion of couples and the terminology associated with the piecewise function approach. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals studying mechanics, structural engineering, or related fields may find this discussion beneficial for understanding shear force and bending moment diagrams.

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shear force diagrams simple stuff hey!?

hey guys this is probably very straight forward stuff for u but i have an example question on a loaded beam. there is a UDL, 2 pure couples and 2 fixed points.

now how do i do the shear force and bendin moment diagram for this

really lookin forward to your ideas thanks
 
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studentlife said:
hey guys this is probably very straight forward stuff for u but i have an example question on a loaded beam. there is a UDL, 2 pure couples and 2 fixed points.

now how do i do the shear force and bendin moment diagram for this

really lookin forward to your ideas thanks

A sketch of the idea would do some good.

In general, the relation dM(x)/dx = T(x) can be very useful when constructing shear force diagram. (T represents the shear force, and M the bending moment.)

Set up the equations of equilibrium for the beam at some point x to get the bending moment function M(x), after calculating the reactions.
 
heres the pic of everything

how do i include the couples in the diagrams i haven't encountered these b4
 

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First, what is the method you were taught to draw the diagram?

Graphing the piecewise function and/or the area method?
 
i think ud describe it as the graphing piecewise function although i haven't heard it described as tht b4 ne I am from the uk so not my fault :smile:

basically this is what i use

http://www2.umist.ac.uk/construction/intranet/teaching/ul222/exp/sfbmdex.htm"

is there a "better" way I am sort of teachin myself this stuff really ne help would b hugely appreciated :smile: iv got another problem I am stuck on but i wona give it a proper go b4 askin learn better tht way if u can solve something yourself
 
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studentlife said:
how do i include the couples in the diagrams i haven't encountered these b4
So, if you're looking at piecewise section from the left end, you would, as usual have M(x) = sum of reaction to moments from -4kN, R(Ay) and the distributed load, for 0<=x<8, and beyond that point, you also include the reactions to the pure couples, so that M(x) = all these contributions + couple at C, for 8<=x<18, and M(x) = all of previous contributions + couple at E, for x>=18
 
thanks for such quick responses!

i think i need to practice these diagrams a lot! are there any good websites out there or books, i have a mechanics book but doesn't really touch on the diagram side of things i haven't really managed to find a lot on the web.

so basically i jus add the couples to the other loads at C and E, how would this look visually?

this is a pretty awesome forum i read tons of threads already learned a lot!
if you don't mind me asking what do all you guys do for a living??
 
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wow those 2 images are great, the shear force was exactly how i pictured it and the bending moment explained the couples

thanks for all ur help
 
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Moments about a Clockwise:

(10 x 5) + [(0.5 x 10) x 5] = (4x3) + (3x15) x (R/b x20)

75 = 57+(R/b x 20)

R/b= 18 / 20

R/b = -0.9

This doesn't seem right, what have I done wrong??

to find reaction R/a using all Upward=Downward

R/a + 4 + 3 = 5 + 10 + 0.9

R/a = 8.9

help
 
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studentlife said:
Moments about a Clockwise:

(10 x 5) + [(0.5 x 10) x 5] = (4x3) + (3x15) x (R/b x20)

75 = 57+(R/b x 20)

R/b= 18 / 20

R/b = -0.9

This doesn't seem right, what have I done wrong??

to find reaction R/a using all Upward=Downward

R/a + 4 + 3 = 5 + 10 + 0.9

R/a = 8.9

help

I'm too lazy to check your calculation, but I can demonstrate how it should look like. Let's set the sum of moments around point B to equal zero, to get the reaction Ra at point A (which is assumed to point 'upwards'). Assume clockwise moments are positive. We have:

-3 + 10 - 0.5*10*15 + Ra*20 - 4*23 = 0.
 
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so ur asuming that Rb will equal 0? or is there another way of findin Rb

this is real interesting really making me think logically about things, i love learning this stuff!
 
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studentlife said:
so ur asuming that Rb will equal 0? or is there another way of findin Rb

this is real interesting really making me think logically about things, i love learning this stuff!


I'm not assuming Rb will equal 0. We only set the sum of moments about the point B to equal 0, right? So, the reaction Rb does not produce a moment at this point. Thus, we have one equation with one unknown, Ra, which we can solve easily.

Further on, you can easily google-up some basic information on the construction of internal force diagrams. If there's something specific you wish to know about, I'll be glad to help.
 
  • #14
You wouldn't happen to be doing Dr. Badi's Mechanics courswork at the University of Hertfordshire would you, studentlife?

:p
 
  • #15
this stuff is probably a little too late for me, but its all very useful, I'm done all those classes for now where I have to draw those damn shear force diagrams and bending moments
 

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