Shelf in a box, treating the shelf as a weak perturbation

In summary, the conversation discusses treating a shelf as a weak perturbation and determining the perturbed state H'. The options for calculating H' are mentioned, as well as the confusion about using En = <Yn|H'| Yn> ==> <Yn| Vo |Yn>. It is clarified that the Hamiltonian is kinetic energy + potential energy, and calculating <Yn| Vo |Yn> is easy due to the constant potential in a finite region of space.
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Shelf in a box, treating the shelf as a weak perturbation. The pertubation is not given what should I use?
Relevant Equations
H= Ho+ H'
E_n = <Y_n|H'|Y_n>
In this problem I am supposed to treat the shelf as a weak perturbation. However it doesn't give us what the perturbed state H' is. At the step V(x) = Vo, but that is all that is given and isn't needed to determine H'.

This isn't in a weak magnetic field so I wouldn't you use H'=qEx and then treat X as an operator.

The other option I would use is H'=lamdaX, (but that is usually given in a problem as well)
 

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Futurestar33 said:
At the step V(x) = Vo, but that is all that is given and isn't needed to determine H'.
What do you mean? This is exactly what is needed to know ##H'##.

Start with the Hamiltonian in the absence of the shelf, then figure out how it is different if there is a shelf.
 
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Im confused at this then.
When there is no shelf the H= ∇^2Ψ=-K^2Ψ where K= √(2mE)/hbar
General expression being Ψ= Csin(kx)+Dcos(kx) , k=npi/a

When there is a shelf H = ∇^2Ψ = -η^2Ψ where η=√(2mE-Vo)/hbar
General expression being Ψ= Ae^(κx)+Be^(-κx).

I know I am not supposed to plug those in for H'

are you saying I just use En = <Yn|H'| Yn> ==> <Yn| Vo |Yn> ?
 
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Ok I got it, I was just thinking that usually it is given or some form of an operator.
but in this case it does just end up up being the above.
 
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Futurestar33 said:
are you saying I just use En = <Yn|H'| Yn> ==> <Yn| Vo |Yn> ?
Yes. Remember that the Hamiltonian is kinetic energy + potential energy. This is not evident in the case of the particle in a box, because in the domain where the wave function is non-zero, the potential is zero.

##H'## is defined by parts, but calculating ##\langle \psi_n |H' | \psi_n \rangle## is easy since its an integration over a constant potential in a finite region of space.
 

1. What is a "shelf in a box"?

A "shelf in a box" refers to a theoretical model in which a shelf is treated as a weak perturbation, or disturbance, in a larger system. This allows for the study of how the shelf affects the overall dynamics of the system.

2. How is the shelf treated as a weak perturbation?

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