Shift Equlibrium Concentrations Curves w/o Adding Stress

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of altering equilibrium concentrations in a chemical system without applying stress, such as changes in temperature, pressure, or concentration. Participants explore the implications of these changes and their effects on equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that altering equilibrium concentrations typically involves applying stress to the system, such as changing pressure or concentration.
  • One participant defines stress as a change in temperature, pressure, or concentration, and proposes that reducing volume could shift equilibrium concentrations downwards.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of reducing volume without applying pressure, implying that this would still constitute a form of stress.
  • It is noted that increasing pressure favors the side of the reaction with fewer moles of gas, while decreasing pressure favors the side with more moles of gas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of stress and whether equilibrium concentrations can be altered without applying stress. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the possibility of achieving this without some form of pressure change.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions and implications of stress in this context, and the discussion includes assumptions about the relationships between pressure, volume, and equilibrium concentrations.

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Hi guys,

I have been wondering if its possible to alter equilibrium concentrations without adding stress to the system?

Thanks,


Larry
 
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Please elaborate.
 
It depends on what you call 'stress'.

For everything that increases stress you can also do the opposite, and the reaction will shift to the opposite side as well. For example:

If you increase the pressure (add stress?) of a reaction, it will favor the side with fewer moles of gas. If you would do the opposite, decrease the pressure (reduce stress?) of a reaction, it will favor the side with the most moles of gas.
 
The definition of stress (at least in my case) is a change in temperature, pressure or concentration in the system. For concentration we are talking about adding concentration to the system as a stress.

I was thinking maybe we can reduce the volume to shift the equilibrium concentrations downwards.
 
tsaitea said:
The definition of stress (at least in my case) is a change in temperature, pressure or concentration in the system. For concentration we are talking about adding concentration to the system as a stress.

I was thinking maybe we can reduce the volume to shift the equilibrium concentrations downwards.

You can reduce the volume to shift the equilibrium, if you reduce the volume you increase the pressure so that favors the side with fewer moles of gas.
 
How are you going to reduce a volume without applying a pressure (stress) to the system?
 
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