Shifting polar functions vertically

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical manipulation of a harmonic function defined in polar coordinates, specifically focusing on shifting the function vertically to accommodate a new center. Participants explore the implications of this shift on boundary conditions and the complexity of the resulting equations.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a harmonic function and seeks cleaner alternatives for shifting it vertically to a new location.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of boundary conditions, specifically the notation regarding the derivative of the function at certain angles.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the angle of the vertex and the relationship between the parameters involved.
  • A suggestion is made to introduce new variables for the shift instead of altering the original equations, with the aim of enhancing clarity.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of boundary conditions after shifting the coordinate system, particularly regarding the evaluation of the function along a new boundary line.
  • Another participant proposes a cosmetic change to the coordinate definitions to simplify the representation of the function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to handle the vertical shift and the implications for boundary conditions. There is no consensus on whether the proposed methods effectively address the complexities introduced by the shift.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the shift in the coordinate system may invalidate existing boundary conditions, and there is uncertainty about the correctness of evaluating the function along the new boundaries.

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Hi PF!

I have a function that looks like this $$f(r,\theta) = \sinh (\omega \log (r))\cos(\omega(\theta - \beta))$$

You'll notice ##f## is harmonic and satisfies the BC's ##f_\theta(\theta = \pm \beta) = 0##. Essentially ##f## has no flux into the wall defined at ##\theta = \pm \beta##. So we can imagine the domain is a sort of groove with it's vertex centered at the origin. However, this groove actually needs to be centered at a different vertical location, ##(h,0)##.

I calculate the new function to be $$f(r,\theta) = \sinh \left(\frac{\omega}{2} \log (r^2-2hr\cos\theta + h^2)\right)\cos\left[\omega\left(\arctan \left(\frac{r\sin\theta}{r \cos \theta-h}\right)- \beta\right)\right]$$
but it's so messy. Any clean-up ideas or different approaches?
 
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I don't get the bit about fθ(.,-β) being zero. Have I misunderstood the notation?
 
haruspex said:
I don't get the bit about fθ(.,-β) being zero. Have I misunderstood the notation?
Sorry, what I mean is $$\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = \pm \beta} = 0$$
The vertex has angle ##2\beta##.
 
joshmccraney said:
Sorry, what I mean is $$\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = \pm \beta} = 0$$
The vertex has angle ##2\beta##.
Yes, that's what I thought you meant, but you seem to be saying this follows from
joshmccraney said:
##f(r,\theta) = \sinh (\omega \log (r))\cos(\omega(\theta - \beta))##
I get ##\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = -\beta} = -\omega\sinh (\omega \log (r))\sin(\omega( - 2\beta))##
 
haruspex said:
Yes, that's what I thought you meant, but you seem to be saying this follows from

I get ##\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = -\beta} = -\omega\sinh (\omega \log (r))\sin(\omega( - 2\beta))##
Oh shoot, sorry, I forgot to say ##\omega = k \pi / \beta : k\in \mathbb N##.
 
Is there a reason that you can't just introduce new variables for the shift and leave the original equations essentially as-is? I think it would be much more clear. If I were to document or program that problem, I think that is how I would do it.
 
FactChecker said:
Is there a reason that you can't just introduce new variables for the shift and leave the original equations essentially as-is? I think it would be much more clear. If I were to document or program that problem, I think that is how I would do it.
Can you elaborate?

See, this is one component to a very large problem I'm working on. The issue is, I am in two different coordinate systems that do not have the same center. Obviously in order to have them both work I need to choose one of the two coordinate systems. I know this one is by far easier (namely, I need to shift the vertex to ##(h,0)##).

I also think that when I shift the coordinate system, the BC's are no longer valid at ##\theta = \beta##. Instead, the boundaries are now valid along a line not passing through the origin. Specifically, the upper boundary line is parameterized as $$r = h \csc(\beta - \theta) \sin\beta$$
What do you think? Am I making an error by thinking I can simply shift ##f## vertically, evaluate ##f_\theta## along the shifted line, and still get a good answer? I tried doing that and I'm not getting 0.
 
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My suggestion is just a cosmetic difference which I think would make it easier to understand what is going on. I would define the shifted coordinate ##(r',\theta') = (\sqrt {r^2-2hr\cos \theta + h^2}, \frac {r \sin \theta}{r \cos \theta - h})## and then use ##f(r', \theta')##.
I think that combining it all into one equation makes it messy and more difficult to understand. And I don't see any benefit from combining it.
 
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