Shock Load on Rope: Weight Limit Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of shock loading on ropes, particularly in the context of descending from heights using a device and rope. Participants explore the implications of sudden stops on the forces experienced by the rope, the weight limits of the rope, and the factors that influence these dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the term "shock load" is appropriate for the scenario described, where a person suddenly stops while descending.
  • Another participant notes that the force of tension in the rope will increase when the person comes to a stop, but whether this force exceeds the rope's rating depends on several factors, including the person's mass and the rope's elasticity.
  • A participant emphasizes that the time taken to stop the load is critical; longer stopping times result in less force exerted on the rope.
  • There is a mention of dynamic climbing ropes, which are elastic and can minimize additional forces during a fall, potentially reducing injuries.
  • One participant recalls a practice from their experience, suggesting a doubling of the weight to account for shock loading and discussing safety factors in rope use.
  • Concerns are raised about the vulnerability of Dyneema rope, particularly regarding its limited stretch and suitability for dynamic applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of shock loading and the factors influencing the forces on the rope. There is no consensus on the best practices or the specific calculations needed to assess the situation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on various factors such as rope elasticity, stopping time, and safety factors, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Shock load of a rope
Hello,

I’m not sure if the proper term is shock load. If a person is using a device and rope to lower themselves from a high point and they’re descending fast and then suddenly stop does that create a shock load? The device attaches to the rope and when a person squeezes the device it allows them to descend the harder they squeeze the fast they go. If they let go of the device they come to an abrupt stop.

If a person weighs 260lbs and the rope is rated for 310lbs (6.8mm Tvac rope) when they suddenly stopped doesn’t this force increase the weight being applied to the rope? By doing this would it exceed the 310lb limit?
 
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Thats a pretty light rope rating for someone 260 lbf!

The force of tension in the rope will be increase as the person comes to a stop. Whether or not it will exceed the rating depends on many factors (at least); the mass of the person, the elasticity of the rope, the rate they accelerate, the initial tension on the rope before they began to accelerate and the persons initial velocity.
 
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Welcome to PF.
The critical parameter, determining the force needed to arrest the load, is the time it takes to stop the load falling. Longer time, less force.

A dynamic climbing rope, used to arrest a significant fall, is elastic. That will minimise the additional force on the rope needed to stop the falling load. It will take longer to stop the fall, but injuries from the harness will be reduced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_rope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_factor
 
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If my memory is correct from when I worked on radio masts, we assumed 110kg (242 lbs) for the person, including clothing and tools, and doubled that to allow for shock loading. It will depend on the elasticity of the rope. For man lifting purposes using steel wire rope we used a factor of safety of 12 to allow for all causes. The rope you quote appears to have a Safe Working Load of 310 lbs and a breaking strength of 3619 lbs, giving a FOS of 3619/310 = 11.6.
The vulnerability of Dyneema rope is being cut, and I think a second back up rope would be required if practicable.
 
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tech99 said:
The vulnerability of Dyneema rope is being cut, and I think a second back up rope would be required if practicable.
Dyneema is strong and lightweight, which is great for static lines. But it is unsuitable for dynamic ropes because it has a limited stretch, less than 5%, before it fails.
 
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