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The problem involves calculating the force exerted by a person pushing a shopping cart at a constant velocity while considering the effects of friction and the angle of the applied force. The subject area includes dynamics and forces, specifically Newton's laws of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of constant velocity and the absence of net force, suggesting the use of free body diagrams and Newton's Second Law. There are attempts to relate vertical and horizontal forces, with some questioning the validity of subtracting forces in different directions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the relevance of the horizontal component of the applied force and the need to focus on forces acting in the x-direction. Some participants express confusion about the setup of equations and the role of mass and distance in the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted emphasis on not using mass or distance in the calculations, as they are deemed irrelevant to the solution. Participants are encouraged to reconsider their assumptions about the forces involved and how they interact.

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Homework Statement


A person pushes a 16.0-kg shopping cart at a constant velocity for a distance of 22.0 m. She pushes in a direction 29° below the horizontal. A 48.0 N frictional force opposes the motion of the cart. What is the magnitude of the force that the shopper exerts?

Homework Equations


F = mg
W = (F cosθ)s

The Attempt at a Solution


1. F = (16kg)(9.8m/s2) = 156.8 N
2. FN= 156.8 N - 48.0 N = 108.8 N

Correct answer: 54.9 N

I know if you divide 108.8 by two you get 54.4 (which is really close to the answer), but I don't think you're supposed to divide by 2. Can someone help me out? :s
 
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You're told that the cart moves at a constant velocity, i.e. there's no NET force acting on the cart. In other words, the sum of the forces in the horizontal direction is zero. I would suggest drawing a free body diagram if you haven't already. The mass of the cart and the distance it moves is irrelevant here. Use Newton's Second Law.
 
Cursed, in your solution you subracted a vertical force, the weight of the mass, by the friction, a horizontal. This is invalid. The weight is in the vertical direction, and the force of friction always points in the direction opposite of the motion, which is in this case horizontal. To subract or add forces, they must have the same direction.
 
Thanks, Markus.

I'm still not getting the answer, though. (I used F = ma, and I had the force be 156.8 N.)

1. tan(29°) = 156.8 N/x; x = 282.8746 N
2. cos(29°) = z/48; z = 41.9817 N
3. 282.8746 - 41.9817 = 240.8929

What am I doing wrong? :/
 
How would you set up Newton's Second Law for the horizontal direction? You'll end up with a very simple equation.
 
Cursed,

The weight of the mass is completely irrelevant for this question. The mass is on some horizontal surface, and by Newton's Third Law, it is canceled out by a normal force.

The unknown here is what force the person exerts. We'll call this Fext. Only the horizontal component of this force contributes to motion. The vertical does not. Try pushing down on a brick and see if it moves! So using trig, the horizontal component of the force exerted is Fext x cos29. (DO NOT take my word for it, come to this conclusion yourself!)

Since it is stated in the problem that the velocity is constant, then there is no acceleration. If there is no acceleration there is no net force on the mass. So, we can equation something to zero here... After you've figured out what, the answer is easily obtained.
 
MarkusNaslund19 said:
Cursed,

The weight of the mass is completely irrelevant for this question. The mass is on some horizontal surface, and by Newton's Third Law, it is canceled out by a normal force.

The unknown here is what force the person exerts. We'll call this Fext. Only the horizontal component of this force contributes to motion. The vertical does not. Try pushing down on a brick and see if it moves! So using trig, the horizontal component of the force exerted is Fext x cos29. (DO NOT take my word for it, come to this conclusion yourself!)

No matter what I do, I can't get the answer:

1. cos29 * F = (F * cos29)s
2. (cos29 * ma)s = mg
3. (cos29 * F)s = 0
4. (ma * cos29)s = 0.5mv2

MarkusNaslund19 said:
Since it is stated in the problem that the velocity is constant, then there is no acceleration. If there is no acceleration there is no net force on the mass. So, we can equation something to zero here... After you've figured out what, the answer is easily obtained.

What am I supposed to set equal to zero?
 
Cursed said:
No matter what I do, I can't get the answer:

1. cos29 * F = (F * cos29)s
2. (cos29 * ma)s = mg
3. (cos29 * F)s = 0
4. (ma * cos29)s = 0.5mv2



What am I supposed to set equal to zero?

You need to read the above posts more carefully. You've been told that the mass of the object and distance it travels are of no consequence, so don't use mass or distance.. at all. The "key" to solving this is Newton's Second Law. Look at the free body diagram below:

http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/pepsi_in_a_can/?action=view&current=force.jpg

What two forces are acting in the x-direction? More specifically, what component of the pushing force are we concerned with? And what force opposes it such that the cart moves at a constant velocity? Call the opposing force Force2, and the component it works against Force1.

Once you know this, you can use Newton's Second law \Sigma F_x = ma_x to sum the forces in the x-direction:

\Sigma F_x = Force1 + Force2 = ma_x

But what should this equation equal seeing as the velocity is constant?
 
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