Should Electric vehicle be banned?

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The discussion centers around the viability and implications of electric vehicles (EVs), including their environmental impact, energy efficiency, and the potential need for banning them. Participants explore various aspects such as battery technology, power generation methods, and the future of transportation, with a focus on theoretical and practical considerations.

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  • Some participants argue that the increased demand for electricity from EVs would necessitate significant investment in power stations, raising concerns about sustainability.
  • Others suggest that while EVs may not be ideal for long-distance travel currently, advancements in battery technology could improve their practicality for short commutes.
  • There are claims that power stations are more efficient at converting fuel to energy than individual vehicles, and that they can better manage waste products.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of increasing the efficiency of internal combustion engines to a significant degree, suggesting that improvements are becoming prohibitively expensive.
  • Several viewpoints advocate for a hydrogen economy as a more viable alternative to battery electric vehicles, highlighting the challenges of infrastructure development for hydrogen refueling.
  • Concerns are raised about nuclear waste associated with increased electrification, with some arguing that modern reactor designs mitigate these issues.
  • Participants discuss the energy efficiency of various fuel sources and the comparative performance of electric vehicles versus traditional combustion engines.
  • There is a contention regarding the validity of certain efficiency claims and the reliability of sources used to support arguments.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the future of electric vehicles, the efficiency of various energy sources, and the implications of nuclear power. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on whether electric vehicles should be banned or the best path forward for transportation.

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Participants highlight limitations in current battery technology, the efficiency of power generation methods, and the complexities of transitioning to alternative energy sources. There are unresolved questions about the long-term viability of both electric and hydrogen vehicles, as well as the environmental impact of nuclear energy.

  • #91
second law states that "It is impossible for any system to operate in such a way that the sole result would be an energy transfer by heat from a cooler to a hotter body." So more than 100% efficiency is impossible, however it does not states near 100% efficiency is impossible.
 
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  • #92
sr241 said:
second law states that "It is impossible for any system to operate in such a way that the sole result would be an energy transfer by heat from a cooler to a hotter body." So more than 100% efficiency is impossible, however it does not states near 100% efficiency is impossible.

Near 100% is NOT 100%.

The inventor didn't say he could get NEAR 100%. He stated flat out that it could achieve 100% efficiency. He acutally insinuates that his heat engine can exceed the carnot efficiency.

Theoretical limit of Carnote efficiency for IC engines can be overcame by injecting water for cooling by using this method even 100% efficiency is possible.
 
  • #93
sr241 said:
for 100% Carnot efficiency you either need T_hot to be infinity or T-cold to be 0 kelvin. if you have theoretical support against the above said then I will appreciate you.
Both of these conditions are impossible to achieve. Th cannot be infinity; Tc cannot be 0 K. So 100% efficiency is impossible, as others have been saying.

Moderator's note: I am locking this thread as it has gone off topic, it was originally a discussion of electric vehicles. The current discussion is going nowhere.
 
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