Should point at which E field = 0 coincide with V = 0?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between electric field and electric potential in the context of point charges. The original poster presents a problem involving a point charge of 3q and another charge of -2q, seeking to determine the position where the electric field equals zero and questioning whether this point should coincide with where the electric potential is zero.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between electric field and potential, questioning whether the conditions for E = 0 and V = 0 must coincide. Some participants suggest examining the implications of potential being defined relative to a reference point, while others highlight the significance of E = 0.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of electric potential and field. Several questions are raised regarding the assumptions underlying the original poster's query, and there is an exploration of the mathematical relationships involved. No explicit consensus has been reached, but various perspectives are being considered.

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Participants note that electric potential is often defined relative to a reference point, which may affect interpretations of where V = 0. The problem involves two charges of different signs, which adds complexity to the analysis of the electric field and potential.

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A problem I solved asks this:

There is a point charge of 3q at the origin and another charge of -2q at x = 5. At what value of x relative to the origin is the electric field equal to zero?

So:

E = E1 + E2
0 = E1 + E2
E1 = -E2
kQ1/x2 = -kQ2/(5-x)2

Solving for x, the point at which these fields cancel out is x ≈ 2.75.

At the start of this problem I had mistakenly solved for the point at which the electric potential equals zero:

V = V1 + V2
0 = V1 + V2
V1 = -V2
kQ1/x = -kQ2/(5-x)

Solving for x yields a clean x = 3.00.

Are my calculations correct, or should these points coincide? At a point in which the total electric field equals zero, shouldn't the total voltage be zero as well?

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hi,
if you look at the relationship between potential and electric field strength (or at the dimensions), you see that E = 0 if ΔV = 0 for a (small) change in position...
 
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One more thing is that V is only established up to a constant. We usually choose that to have V = 0 at infinity, but that is just a convention.
 
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There's two points on the x-axis where the electric field is zero (if not including the "point" at ##x\rightarrow\pm\infty##), and neither of them is between the charges when ##Q_1## and ##Q_2## are of different sign as in this problem.
 
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Ask your self the following question in 1-dimension. If a function of x is zero at a certain value of x, is its slope equal to zero at the same value of x?
 
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Chandra Prayaga said:
Ask your self the following question in 1-dimension. If a function of x is zero at a certain value of x, is its slope equal to zero at the same value of x?
Just to clarify, the OP's question is why isn't V zero where E is zero, so the directly analogous question in 1D is the reverse of the above: why isn't the value of the function zero where its slope is zero?

Further to the above replies, there is nothing special about a point where V is zero. Potentials are always relative. You can define any point to be at V=0; the potential at any other point is relative to that.
In many electrostatics questions it is common to define the potential at infinity to be zero, but it is only a convention.
As against that, E=0 does have significance.
 
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Chandra Prayaga said:
Ask your self the following question in 1-dimension. If a function of x is zero at a certain value of x, is its slope equal to zero at the same value of x?
That really flicked a switch in my head. Thanks for that!
 

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