Should the Normalization Constant be Positive or Complex?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the normalization constant \( A \) in the context of the time-independent Schrödinger equation, specifically whether \( A \) should be positive or can be complex. Participants explore the implications of choosing different forms of \( A \) and the significance of its magnitude and phase in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the normalization condition leads to \( |A|^2 = \frac{2}{a} \) and questions the necessity of choosing the positive real root for \( A \).
  • Another participant confirms that \( A \) can indeed be complex, suggesting a form \( A = \sqrt{\frac{2}{a}} e^{i\phi} \) where \( \phi \) is arbitrary.
  • Several participants express confusion about why \( A \) is considered only a magnitude and question the implications of using the complex part of \( A \).
  • It is mentioned that while \( A \) can take complex values, the phase \( \phi \) cancels out in observable calculations, leading to a common choice of \( \phi = 0 \) for simplicity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that \( A \) can be complex and that its phase does not affect physical observables. However, there is ongoing debate regarding the implications of choosing the positive root and the interpretation of \( A \) as merely a magnitude.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the choice of \( A \) and its representation as a magnitude, indicating a need for clarification on these points.

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In finding solutions to the time independent Schrödinger equation we have to normalize [itex]\psi[/itex] to find the constant A. So we get [tex]\int_{0}^{a} |A|^{2} sin^{2}(kx) dx = |A|^2 \frac{a}{2}=1[/tex]

For A we then get [itex]|A|^2 = \frac{2}{a}[/itex]. Griffiths says that this only determines the magnitude of A but it's simplest to pick the positive real root. I know how to work with complex numbers generally but I'm a little confused as to what the imaginary root would be anyway. It looks to me like [itex]A= \pm \sqrt{ \frac{2}{a} }[/itex]. Since we aren't square rooting a negative I don't see where the [itex]i[/itex] comes in. Also, I know the magnitude of a complex number is real, so are we saying that A itself could be complex? I don't want to make any assumptions about this. Thanks!
 
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You have thought it right, 'A' can be complex indeed. In fact, [tex]A=\sqrt\frac 2 a\,e^{i\phi}[/tex] satisfies the the normalization constraint for any real \phi. Mind that the phase of the wave function is arbitrary.
 
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csopi said:
You have thought it right, 'A' can be complex indeed. In fact, [tex]A=\sqrt\frac 2 a\,e^{i\phi}[/tex] satisfies the the normalization constraint for any real \phi. Mind that the phase of the wave function is arbitrary.

Cool, thanks!
 
I was passing here by coincidence, and after reading the post I had few questions indeed:
If A is just the magnitude of the normalization constant, then will it differ if we took the complex complete part ? I mean, why do we always take the positive part?

Also why does A only represent the magnitude? Where does this appear from?
I always solve the particle in a box case taking the solution of A as granted without noticing that it is just a magnitude !
 
I was passing here by coincidence, and after reading the post I had few questions indeed:
If A is just the magnitude of the normalization constant, then will it differ if we took the complex complete part ? I mean, why do we always take the positive part?

Also why does A only represent the magnitude? Where does this appear from?
I always solve the particle in a box case taking the solution of A as granted without noticing that it is just a magnitude !
A is a constant that we have added after integration Sorry I do not mean added in the sense of + but more in the sense of incoperated in our equation!
 
Here is the equation:

We start of with:

1=∫ abs(psi(x))^2 dx

substitute psi(a)= A sin((npix)/a))

1=abs(A)^2∫ abs( sin((npix)/a)))^2 dx

so A=(2/a)^1/2

where I have simply replaced the k of in the top most post with sinnpi/a
 
Ibrahim Hany said:
If A is just the magnitude of the normalization constant, then will it differ if we took the complex complete part ? I mean, why do we always take the positive part?

Strictly speaking, the normalization constant can be as csopi noted, letting ##\sqrt{2/a}## be real and using any value for φ. However, when you use the wave function to calculate anything that is physically observable (e.g. a probability or an expectation value), φ always cancels out. Therefore, for simplicity, we usually choose φ = 0.
 

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