Should We Buy or Rent a Wind Tunnel for Polymer Coating Testing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of acquiring a wind tunnel for testing new polymer coatings developed by a research group. Participants explore the requirements for flow uniformity, the specific measurements desired, and the potential benefits of renting versus buying a wind tunnel.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, lacking expertise in aerodynamics, seeks guidance on the necessary uniformity of flow for testing polymer coatings.
  • Another participant inquires about the specific measurements intended, focusing on drag reduction associated with the coatings.
  • A participant mentions that the coatings have low surface energies and nano-scale roughness, with a target of 0.1% drag reduction deemed successful.
  • There is a discussion about the mechanisms by which the coatings may reduce drag, with questions raised about maintaining laminar flow.
  • A suggestion is made to consider renting time in a wind tunnel instead of purchasing one, highlighting the costs and complexities involved in owning and operating a wind tunnel.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the need for additional equipment, such as force balances, pressure transducers, and data acquisition systems, if a wind tunnel is purchased.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to buy or rent a wind tunnel, with some advocating for renting due to the associated costs and expertise required for effective testing. The discussion on flow uniformity and drag reduction mechanisms remains unresolved, with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of surface energy and the impact of nano-scale roughness on drag reduction. The discussion does not clarify the specific flow quality needed for the intended measurements.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for researchers and engineers involved in materials testing, particularly those interested in aerodynamic properties and the practical considerations of experimental setups in wind tunnel testing.

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So, I am totally not an aerodynamic engineer, but my boss - an organic chemist- thinks we should get a wind tunnel to test some new polymer coatings that our research group developed. In researching and calling around to companies that make wind tunnels, I got a question that i have no idea how to answer - what uniformity of flow do we need? I cannot find anything on how that is quantified, and I'm hesitant to answer "uhh, good". Could I get a little help?
 
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Well what are you trying to measure in your tunnel?
 
We want to measure any drag reduction that may occur due to these coatings (over standard coatings). Essentially, I think I want to measure the skin friction of a flat plate, coated with the various canditates.
 
Do you by any chance know by what method it is hoped it will reduce drag?
 
The coatings have very low surface energies, and nano-scale roughness. I was told by my boss that a .1% drag reduction would be considered a success.
 
Right but the mechanism you are hoping to control determines what your flow quality should be.

I don't know what surface energy even means to be honest, so if you could briefly explain it I may be able to help a little more.

If the nanoscale roughness is what you are hoping will help, that is a complicated problem.

Are you hoping to keep the flow laminar for longer and reduce drag that way?
 
Have you considered renting time in a wind tunnel as opposed to buying your own. Wind tunnels are expensive and you need to know what you are doing to get anything meaningful. And just buying a wind tunnel won't be enough, you need a way to measure the drag and an accurate force balance will be very expensive as well. You also need space for the tunnel, you will probably need pressure transducers and thermocouples, experience in data acquisition and then you will have to invest time in writing software to run everything.

There are plenty of wind tunnels out there where you can rent time and have experienced test engineers run the experiments and get very accurate drag measurements.
 

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